Hiding behind a Statement of Faith

September 25, 2008

Yesterday I received this comment which I allowed to post here to a recent Lighthouse Trails commentary.

Don’t believe everything you read. Here is the Statement of Faith from this organization:


We believe the Bible to be the inspired, the only infallible, authoritative Word of God.
We believe that there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
We believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death through His shed blood, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and in His personal return in power and glory.
We believe that for the salvation of lost and sinful people, regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential. The express mandate of the Church is to fulfill the Great Commission.
We believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a godly life.
We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost that they are saved unto the resurrection of life.
We believe in the spiritual unity of believers in our Lord Jesus Christ.”

This is very typical of many undiscerning believers that are in the Body of Christ today. Folks looking at a statement of faith or belief and not being fruit checker’s on those involved in a project.

The Bible states in Matt 7:20 “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them”.

Lets look at all the verses that lead up to this verse starting at verse 15.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 

This verse shows that they may look like Christians which means they may sound like Christians as well espousing orthodox belief’s.

 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

As discerning Bereans we need to be wise and check their association’s and who they gather and group together with.

 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Someone who is corrupt and compromised will always bring forth bad fruit in the end

 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

If a Christian follows Gods Word and not his own ambitions as well as letting the Holy Spirit guide him/her into all truth you cant help but bring forth good fruit. That all depends on you following Gods will through scripture.

 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Sooner or later judgement will come on the evil false shepherds that have infiltrated the Body of Christ. And we will know them and who they are as we compare what they do in the light of scripture with The Holy Spirit guiding us.

These days its harder to see the wolves (like Rick Warren) coming because they hide behind espoused orthodox belief’s and statements of faith. Do I think they believe what they profess to believe?

Not a chance . I dont believe it because you have to examine Rick Warrens fruit and its bad.(Read all the article’s here and other places on Rick Warren his connections and associations)

Ken Blanchard has shown us time after time that he will continue to ignore godly council, repent and turn from his evil ways and continues to endorse new age books and teachers.

We need to of course separate error fro apostasy and heresy.

Calvinism is error. Pretty bad error at that because I believe it misrepresents the God revealed to us in scripture. BUT it does not mean that i will separate from my Calvinist friends of stop reading John MacArthur or Francis Schaffers wonderful books.

Just like I dont argue and fuss about Calvinism because of course man has free will and Jesus did not die for a elect few.

Just a snippet on this and no I will not be drawn into a tulip debate here on this post. I do not need to defend my position on this error. Please do that on your own website’s

What God has given to every man is conscience. We are told in the

Bible that after Adam and Eve sinned they knew both good and evil.8 They and their

descendants now had an inward knowledge of right versus wrong. The Bible calls this

conscience, and explains that every person shows the work of the law written in their

hearts, their conscience also bearing witness.9 Conscience literally means with knowledge

or perception.10 Conscience is the moral compass that God has given to every person.

The Holy Spirit’s main ministry to the lost world is to convict each conscience –

revealing to every person his or her need for the Savior. “And when He [the Holy Spirit]

has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.”11 The

Holy Spirit convicts the entire world of sin against God, of Christ’s righteousness, and of

God’s coming judgment.

Scripture also explains that God commands all men everywhere to repent.12 Repent

means to change your mind. When the Holy Spirit convicts each man of his sin, he can

choose to resist the Holy Spirit, or acknowledge his sin. Concerning salvation, this is

where man’s free will is exercised. Throughout the Bible we find many examples of

1 Genesis 1:1; 1 Timothy 6:15; 1 John 3:20; Genesis 17:1

2 Psalm 3:8; 68:20; Jonah 2:9; Revelation 7:10

3 Jeremiah 17:9

4 1 Corinthians 2:14

5 Psalm 19:1-3

6 See also: Romans 10:18; Colossians 1:6, 23; Job 12:7-10; Isaiah 40:21-26; Acts 17:26-30; Revelation

14:6-7; etc.

7 Romans 1:19-20

8 Genesis 3:22

9 Romans 2:15. See also: Job 38:36; Psalm 40:8; Proverbs 1:20-33; Acts 9:5; Romans 1:32; John 8:9; etc.

10 In the New Testament conscience is derived from the Greek word sundeido meaning: to see completely,

to understand or become aware, and to be conscious or informed of: consider, know, be privy, be ware of.

11 John 16:8

12 Acts 

source http://www.eternal-productions.org/PDFS/articles/Free%20Will%20or%20Calvinism.pdf


Just like I dont argue about different beliefs on the Rapture or if there is going to be a Rapture before the tribulation period. I personally think we will go through the tribulation but if the pre tribbers have that one right thats great Im not looking for adventure of that sort.

Rick Warren, his followers as well as his associations are bringing in and accommodating that One World religion of the antichrist spoken of in the book of Revelation. It doesnt take a rocket scientist or theologian to figure that out because every day Warren keeps revealing his real intent. I dont think slick Rick is even trying to hide or cover his real intentions because many Christian’s  are not being discerning and are not reading their Bibles.

 You only need to look to scripture to see what Rick promotes does not ad up to scripture.

That started with Warrens book “Purpose Driven Church”, continues with “The Purpose Driven Life” and all of Ricks associations. 

And actually this all started when Rick sought the council of the unsaved on how to build a church on his way to seeking power and influence in the world.

We all really need to take to heart the following scripture because there will be a time in this time of great deception that there will be no turning back.


7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[a] who now restrains will do so until He[b] is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


So dont be fooled by double minded men like Rick Warren who are unstable in all their ways as they hide behind their statements of faith.

Matt 15:8-9

8 ‘ These people draw near to Me with their mouth,

      And honor Me with their lips,
      But their heart is far from Me.
       9 And in vain they worship Me,

       Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.




7 Responses to “Hiding behind a Statement of Faith”

  1. Douglas said

    Bro., you furry ol wombat, Calvinism is NOT error, misrepresentations of Calvinism are error.

    You need to go to my dear, kind, patient, very loving friend and brother John Hendryx’s (whom I have know for several years now) website Monergism.com to discover the “true-truths” (as Francis Schaeffer used to say) about Reformed Theology/Calvinism. Especially these two sections here:

    1. Reformed Theology

    2. Calvinism

    Dave Hunt is wrong about Calvinism and he seriously misrepresents Calvinism, he is only one of many that do. I used to respect and trust his scholarship once but not now.

    What Theology is This?
    Dave Hunt’s Misrepresentation of God and Calvinism (book review)

    Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel misrepresents Calvinism as well:

    A Biblical Critique of Chuck Smith’s Study: “Calvinism, Arminianism & The Word Of God”
    Ray Kane

    Both those men will be held accountable to God for distorting the biblical truths contained within Calvinism. Calvinism is only a “nickname,” a nickname for biblical Christianity, going right back to the LORD Jesus Christ himself.

    You need to do a careful study on what the doctrine of “Free-Will” really is. Prior to the New Birth our wills are in bondage to sin and we are dead in trespasses and sins and dead men can not lift a finger to help themselves rise from the dead. The new birth is a divine, monergistic, regenerative work of God alone, our wills have no part to play in being born again. Once we are born again in consequence of the new birht we use our wills to receive the LORD because now we can. Before the regeneration we can not. God restores our ability to receive him and we do receive, freely, willingly and most gladly because we know without a doubt we could not save ourselves, we could not even make a decision for Jesus while we were dead in our sins.

    Here are some articles on “free-will” that will bless you heaps:



    Douglas from way down in here Christchurch New Zealand.

    BTW. A massive U.S.A Air force plane flew over our place yesterday afternoon then circled overhead of the central city, we could see it from our home. It was huge and powerful. I don’t know if it had any bombs on board? I suppose it is heading down to Antarctica. There is a U.S.A Air base out near our main airport, a jumping off point to head down to the ice. Our Prime Minister just announced this week that New Zealand and America have made a joint trade agreement with each other. Something l;ike that. That will probably mean more Yankee tourists down this way. I better put me tour guide hat on and see if I can make some money off them, they usually have heaps of dollars to throw around and they can throw some our way. 🙂

    Charles Spurgeon On Calvinism

    It is no novelty, then, that I am preaching; no new doctrine. I love to proclaim these strong old doctrines that are called by nickname Calvinism, but which are truly and verily the revealed truth of God as it is in Christ Jesus. By this truth I make my pilgrimage into the past, and as I go, I see father after father, confessor after confessor, martyr after martyr, standing up to shake hands with me . . . Taking these things to be the standard of my faith, I see the land of the ancients peopled with my brethren; I behold multitudes who confess the same as I do, and acknowledge that this is the religion of God’s own church. (Spurgeon’s Sovereign Grace Sermons, Still Waters Revival Books, p. 170)

    When I was coming to Christ, I thought I was doing it all myself, and though I sought the Lord earnestly, I had no idea the Lord was seeking me. I do not think the young convert is at first aware of this. I can recall the very day and hour when first I received those truths in my own soul – when they were as John Bunyan says, burnt into my heart as with a hot iron; and I can recollect how I felt that I had grown all of a sudden from a babe into a man – that I had made progress in scriptural knowledge, through having found, once for all, the clue to the truth of God … I saw that God was at the bottom of it all, and that He was the Author of my faith, and so the whole doctrine of grace opened up to me, and from that doctrine I have not departed to this day, and I desire to make this my constant confession, I ascribe my change wholly to God. (Autobiography: 1, The Early Years, Banner of Truth, p. 164-165)

    I have my own opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing unchangeable eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross. (Autobiography: 1, The Early Years, p. 168)

    George Whitefield said, “We are all born Arminians.” It is grace that turns us into Calvinists. (Sermons, Vol. 2, p. 124)

    I do not ask whether you believe Calvinism. It is possible that you do not. But I believe you will before you enter heaven. I am persuaded that as God may have washed your hearts, He will wash your brains before you enter heaven. (Sermons, Vol. 1, p. 92)

    Calvinism is the Gospel. (Sermons, Vol. 1, p. 50)

    Calvinism did not spring from Calvin. We believe that it sprang from the great Founder of all truth. (Sermons, Vol. 7, p. 298)

    I am not a Calvinist by choice, but because I cannot help it. (Sermons, Vol. 18, p. 692

  2. I knew you would call me out on that my brother from down under and with all respect and love I totally disagree with you.
    Throw another Tim on the barby mate.
    Your always welcome here Douglas!
    Your bro in the Lord Tim

  3. Douglas said

    Bro Tim, I just knowed you’d disagree with me because I know I am absolutely correct. LOL! 🙂

    Throw another Tim on the barby mate.

    Throw another brick in the wall ya mean. Haha

    Oh! That’s not how that song goes does it?

    I should ring up your mate Steve C. and get him to go around and give ya a good old clip around the ears and burn ya at the stake like what Calvin did to Servetus eh?

    Btw, Calvin didn’t burn Servetus, the godless wicked civil magistrates in Geneva condemned him to die like that. They showed no mercy. Calvin pleaded for mercy for Servetus but was denied. Calvin actually spent much time with Servetus while he was in the clanger and pleaded with Servetus to repent of his false teachings on the Trinity. Servetus was a Roman Catholic and the Roman Catholic Organization had already proclaimed Servetus a heretic and had him condemned him to death. They would have been the ones to execute him if they could have got their hands on him but Servetus fled to Geneva thinking he’d be safe there and carry on with his heretical teachings. But Calvin called him out and he was arrested by the civil authorities who weren’t Christians. Actually, Servetus thought that they wouldn’t convict him but was shocked and freaked right out when they condemned him to die. That sort of thing was going on all over Europe during those times, it was the norm. That does not make it right but that is the way they did things then. Not nice. Both Catholics and Protestants. There were some Christian groups around that were total pacifists though. They got persecuted like hell too.

    Calvin and Servetus
    Matthew Gross
    Was Calvin a tyrant who had those with whom he disagreed executed?

    Calvin and Servetus
    by William Wileman

    Boy o boy, you have a heap of study to catch up on now. You had better get cracking son.



    Life is too short; Love is too sacred
    (J. R. Miller, “About Temper”, 1912)

  4. Love the passion of my Calvinist brothers in the Lord.
    I told you I would not debate the fact that Jesus didnt die for just a select few.
    God does not create people just to destine them to hell.
    But hey the very best to you bro.
    Wont debate you here bro

  5. Douglas said

    Bro, my friend, I will stop discussing the issue out of respect to you but just want to clear up something before I head off,

    “I told you I would not debate the fact that Jesus didnt die for just a select few.”

    I don’t believe that and I do not know of anyone who does. I believe the elect are many. Dave Hunt says that Calvinist’s believe in only “a select few” in his book. He is wrong. No Calvinist that I know of believes in the idea of Christ dying for “a select few.” To say so is a gross misrepresentation. I do not believe in the idea of “a select few.” I believe no one can number God’s elect. God’s elect are many. Even though the Bible says many are called but few are chosen, I still believe the elect of God are myriads, innumerable.

    Revelation 7:9After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

    “God does not create people just to destine them to hell.”

    I do not believe God created people just to send them to the lake of fire, I believe he created people to be with him. It is man that rebelled and sinned against God. The Bible says many travel the broad road that leads to destruction, what happens to them? Why doesn’t God save everyone? Why does God save any and not all? Is God obligated to save any one? Even if it was just one person God saved, would God have been obligated to save that person? Would it be unjust for God to save only one and leave the rest to perish in their sins? Would God be perfectly just to leave the whole human race to itself and not save anybody but leave them over to their sinful desires and perish? Remember, prior to regeneration, not one person wants God in their lives, they love the darkness rather than the light because their deeds are evil and they hate the light and will not come to the light least their evil deeds be exposed. See John chapter 3. God does not save everyone does He? Why not? Why does God not save everybody and not send any to the lake of fire? Will the lake of fire eventually be emptied and burn out and no one left in it?

    Tim, who are the elect and who chose the elect?

    Mark 13:9″For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will. 20″Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. 21″And then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ’; or, ‘Behold, He is there’; do not believe him; 22for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23″But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance.

    What does Ephesians chapter 1 say? Who chooses us? When does God choose us?

    Anyways Tim, that’s all I have to say about that.


    Forrest Guuuuuuuuuuuu, oooppppsss, I mean



  6. Your always welcome here Douglas my brother in the Lord

  7. Douglas said

    Your always welcome here Douglas my brother in the Lord.

    Thanks Tim.

    If you ever came to Christchurch you would be very welcome in our home my brother in the LORD.

    I had a mate come over to visit yesterday, we were in the bike gang to together in the 70’s, he came over to give me some plants for the garden and he came on his Harley. I can only drool. Neil, my friend, is a Christian as well. We are the only two Christians I know of since the formation of the club in the 60’s and the club is still going. Sure have preached the Gospel to many of them.

    It is spring time here in N. Z. and all the blossoms and spring flowers are out, some are fading, others are just bursting forth. Our garden looks a real picture this year. Christchurch is a pretty city in the spring time but Christchurch is also a very sinful city. Prostitution and homosexual unions are legal here, all of N.Z. Sad.

    Have a good week, Cobber.



    The kingship of Christ

    (J. C. Philpot, “Meditations on the Blessed Redeemer”)

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