There is any number of popular preachers these days, both on and off TV, touting unbiblical notions to cheering crowds as if they were carrying out the Great Commission. Many of them, if not most, are convinced that their worldly success and the resulting fame and fortune they enjoy is evidence of God’s approval and blessing.

The fanatical followers of these smooth talkers are so far from the truth and so taken by their preacher’s voice, reasoning with them, even from the scriptures, is often like reasoning with an animal, which is why I believe Jesus said, in Matthew 7, verse 6: “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”

Have you ever tried to reason with someone’s guard dog? He doesn’t know right from wrong or truth from lie. He doesn’t know or even care if his master is good or evil. All he knows is violence toward anyone who challenges the sovereignty and authority of the hand that feeds him.

Great article from my brother in the Lord Paul Proctor read the rest of the article here.


: Editors at Lighthouse Trails

This week, Lighthouse Trails learned that a Saddleback apologist contacted IPOWER, the web hosting company for Apprising Ministries (a Purpose Driven critic), threatening IPOWER with legal action. This resulted in IPOWER notifying Apprising Ministries that they would shut down the website if a request to remove certain material was not complied with in 48 hours (by Saturday night). IPOWER has a policy statement on their website, which states they will take “corrective action” against websites that post “controversial” material.

As a private company, IPOWER has the right to refuse service to anyone whom they wish; however, given the controversial nature of many websites and blogs and with a customer base of over 700,000 sites, IPOWER will need to shut down thousands of websites, if they treat all of them in the same manner as Apprising Ministries.

There is growing concern among many Christian believers that the time is soon coming, largely because of hate crime legislation, when websites and ministries that challenge and critique popular and non-biblical religious movements (e.g. Purpose Driven, the emerging church, the New Age movement) will be shut down. A prime example, which has warranted growing concern, is that of MacGregor Ministries in Canada, who was recently informed by the Canadian government that they were being stripped of their non-profit status because they violated Canadian regulations that state non-profits cannot say other religions are wrong (constituting this to be hateful behavior).

Because the long-term implications of IPOWER’s actions could set a precedent with other hosting companies (a precedent that could ultimately affect many voices who stand for the truth and the Gospel), Lighthouse Trails considers this current action to be of a very serious nature. Lighthouse Trails wrote a letter on July 25th to IPOWER, expressing our concerns. (Click here to read.)

For further information, please read the following reports:

Report by Slice of Laodicea on IPower situation

Non-profit Ministries: A View of the Future?

Purpose Driven Resisters – Must Leave or Die

Why “Hate crime” laws would ban Biblical Christianity by Kjos Ministries

This article or excerpt was posted on July 26, 2008@ 3:12 pm .

Category: * Signs of the Times

My churches statement of faith online was called into question yesterday at another website.

It was a fair concern so I spoke with my pastor today to find the statement of faith that is online was put up by the former pastor and the church website is undergoing some changes and will be updated at a later date. Pastor Steve then pointed me toward the articles of faith that all Nazarene pastors believe or are put out of fellowship. So here is my churches statement of faith in detail. This is where my church stands in matters of Christianity.



I. The Triune God

1. We believe in one eternally existent, infinite God, Sovereign of the universe; that He only is God, creative and administrative, holy in nature, attributes, and purpose; that He, as God, is Triune in essential being, revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

(Genesis 1; Leviticus 19:2; Deuteronomy 6:4-5; Isaiah 5:16; 6:1-7; 40:18-31; Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19-20; John 14:6-27; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Galatians 4:4-6; Ephesians 2:13-18)1

1Scripture references are supportive of the Articles of Faith and were placed here by action of the 1976 General Assembly but are not to be considered as part of the Constitutional text.


II. Jesus Christ

2. We believe in Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead; that He was eternally one with the Father; that He became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and was born of the Virgin Mary, so that two whole and perfect natures, that is to say the Godhead and manhood, are thus united in one Person very God and very man, the God-man.

We believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and that He truly arose from the dead and took again His body, together with all things appertaining to the perfection of man’s nature, wherewith He ascended into heaven and is there engaged in intercession for us.

(Matthew 1:20-25; 16:15-16; Luke 1:26-35; John 1:1-18; Acts 2:22-36; Romans 8:3, 32-34; Galatians 4:4-5; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 1:12-22; 1 Timothy 6:14-16; Hebrews 1:1-5; 7:22-28; 9:24-28; 1 John 1:1-3; 4:2-3, 15)


III. The Holy Spirit

3. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Triune Godhead, that He is ever present and efficiently active in and with the Church of Christ, convincing the world of sin, regenerating those who repent and believe, sanctifying believers, and guiding into all truth as it is in Jesus.

(John 7:39; 14:15-18, 26; 16:7-15; Acts 2:33; 15:8-9; Romans 8:1-27; Galatians 3:1-14; 4:6; Ephesians 3:14-21; 1 Thessalonians 4:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 John 3:24; 4:13)


IV. The Holy Scriptures

4. We believe in the plenary inspiration of the Holy Scriptures, by which we understand the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments, given by divine inspiration, inerrantly revealing the will of God concerning us in all things necessary to our salvation, so that whatever is not contained therein is not to be enjoined as an article of faith.

(Luke 24:44-47; John 10:35; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Peter 1:10-12; 2 Peter 1:20-21)


V. Sin, Original and Personal

5. We believe that sin came into the world through the disobedience of our first parents, and death by sin. We believe that sin is of two kinds: original sin or depravity, and actual or personal sin.

5.1. We believe that original sin, or depravity, is that corruption of the nature of all the offspring of Adam by reason of which everyone is very far gone from original righteousness or the pure state of our first parents at the time of their creation, is averse to God, is without spiritual life, and inclined to evil, and that continually. We further believe that original sin continues to exist with the new life of the regenerate, until the heart is fully cleansed by the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

5.2. We believe that original sin differs from actual sin in that it constitutes an inherited propensity to actual sin for which no one is accountable until its divinely provided remedy is neglected or rejected.

5.3. We believe that actual or personal sin is a voluntary violation of a known law of God by a morally responsible person. It is therefore not to be confused with involuntary and inescapable shortcomings, infirmities, faults, mistakes, failures, or other deviations from a standard of perfect conduct that are the residual effects of the Fall. However, such innocent effects do not include attitudes or responses contrary to the spirit of Christ, which may properly be called sins of the spirit. We believe that personal sin is primarily and essentially a violation of the law of love; and that in relation to Christ sin may be defined as unbelief.

(Original sin: Genesis 3; 6:5; Job 15:14; Psalm 51:5; Jeremiah 17:9-10; Mark 7:21-23; Romans 1:18-25; 5:12-14; 7:1-8:9; 1 Corinthians 3:1-4; Galatians 5:16-25; 1 John 1:7-8)

(Personal sin: Matthew 22:36-40 {with 1 John 3:4}; John 8:34-36; 16:8-9; Romans 3:23; 6:15-23; 8:18-24; 14:23; 1 John 1:9-2:4; 3:7-10)


VI. Atonement

6. We believe that Jesus Christ, by His sufferings, by the shedding of His own blood, and by His death on the Cross, made a full atonement for all human sin, and that this Atonement is the only ground of salvation, and that it is sufficient for every individual of Adam’s race. The Atonement is graciously efficacious for the salvation of the irresponsible and for the children in innocency but is efficacious for the salvation of those who reach the age of responsibility only when they repent and believe.

(Isaiah 53:5-6, 11; Mark 10:45; Luke 24:46-48; John 1:29; 3:14-17; Acts 4:10-12; Romans 3:21-26; 4:17-25; 5:6-21; 1 Corinthians 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:14-21; Galatians 1:3-4; 3:13-14; Colossians 1:19-23; 1 Timothy 2:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 2:9; 9:11-14; 13:12; 1 Peter 1:18-21; 2:19-25; 1 John 2:1-2)


VII. Prevenient Grace

7. We believe that the human race’s creation in Godlikeness included ability to choose between right and wrong, and that thus human beings were made morally responsible; that through the fall of Adam they became depraved so that they cannot now turn and prepare themselves by their own natural strength and works to faith and calling upon God. But we also believe that the grace of God through Jesus Christ is freely bestowed upon all people, enabling all who will to turn from sin to righteousness, believe on Jesus Christ for pardon and cleansing from sin, and follow good works pleasing and acceptable in His sight.

We believe that all persons, though in the possession of the experience of regeneration and entire sanctification, may fall from grace and apostatize and, unless they repent of their sins, be hopelessly and eternally lost.

(Godlikeness and moral responsibility: Genesis 1:26-27; 2:16-17; Deuteronomy 28:1-2; 30:19; Joshua 24:15; Psalm 8:3-5; Isaiah 1:8-10; Jeremiah 31:29-30; Ezekiel 18:1-4; Micah 6:8; Romans 1:19-20; 2:1-16; 14:7-12; Galatians 6:7-8

Natural inability: Job 14:4; 15:14; Psalms 14:1-4; 51:5; John 3:6a; Romans 3:10-12; 5:12-14, 20a; 7:14-25

Free grace and works of faith: Ezekiel 18:25-26; John 1:12-13; 3:6b; Acts 5:31; Romans 5:6-8, 18; 6:15-16, 23; 10:6-8; 11:22; 1 Corinthians 2:9-14; 10:1-12; 2 Corinthians 5:18-19; Galatians 5:6; Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 2:12-13; Colossians 1:21-23; 2 Timothy 4:10a; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 2:1-3; 3:12-15; 6:4-6; 10:26-31; James 2:18-22; 2 Peter 1:10-11; 2:20-22)


VIII. Repentance

8. We believe that repentance, which is a sincere and thorough change of the mind in regard to sin, involving a sense of personal guilt and a voluntary turning away from sin, is demanded of all who have by act or purpose become sinners against God. The Spirit of God gives to all who will repent the gracious help of penitence of heart and hope of mercy, that they may believe unto pardon and spiritual life.

(2 Chronicles 7:14; Psalms 32:5-6; 51:1-17; Isaiah 55:6-7; Jeremiah 3:12-14; Ezekiel 18:30-32; 33:14-16; Mark 1:14-15; Luke 3:1-14; 13:1-5; 18:9-14; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 17:30-31; 26:16-18; Romans 2:4; 2 Corinthians 7:8-11; 1 Thessalonians 1:9; 2 Peter 3:9)


IX. Justification, Regeneration, and Adoption

9. We believe that justification is the gracious and judicial act of God by which He grants full pardon of all guilt and complete release from the penalty of sins committed, and acceptance as righteous, to all who believe on Jesus Christ and receive Him as Lord and Savior.

10. We believe that regeneration, or the new birth, is that gracious work of God whereby the moral nature of the repentant believer is spiritually quickened and given a distinctively spiritual life, capable of faith, love, and obedience.

11. We believe that adoption is that gracious act of God by which the justified and regenerated believer is constituted a son of God.

12. We believe that justification, regeneration, and adoption are simultaneous in the experience of seekers after God and are obtained upon the condition of faith, preceded by repentance; and that to this work and state of grace the Holy Spirit bears witness.

(Luke 18:14; John 1:12-13; 3:3-8; 5:24; Acts 13:39; Romans 1:17; 3:21-26, 28; 4:5-9, 17-25; 5:1, 16-19; 6:4; 7:6; 8:1, 15-17; 1 Corinthians 1:30; 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17-21; Galatians 2:16-21; 3:1-14, 26; 4:4-7; Ephesians 1:6-7; 2:1, 4-5; Philippians 3:3-9; Colossians 2:13; Titus 3:4-7; 1 Peter 1:23; 1 John 1:9; 3:1-2, 9; 4:7; 5:1, 9-13, 18)


X. Entire Sanctification

13. We believe that entire sanctification is that act of God, subsequent to regeneration, by which believers are made free from original sin, or depravity, and brought into a state of entire devotement to God, and the holy obedience of love made perfect.

It is wrought by the baptism with the Holy Spirit, and comprehends in one experience the cleansing of the heart from sin and the abiding, indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, empowering the believer for life and service.

Entire sanctification is provided by the blood of Jesus, is wrought instantaneously by faith, preceded by entire consecration; and to this work and state of grace the Holy Spirit bears witness.

This experience is also known by various terms representing its different phases, such as “Christian perfection,” “perfect love,” “heart purity,” “the baptism with the Holy Spirit,” “the fullness of the blessing,” and “Christian holiness.”

14. We believe that there is a marked distinction between a pure heart and a mature character. The former is obtained in an instant, the result of entire sanctification; the latter is the result of growth in grace.

We believe that the grace of entire sanctification includes the impulse to grow in grace. However, this impulse must be consciously nurtured, and careful attention given to the requisites and processes of spiritual development and improvement in Christlikeness of character and personality. Without such purposeful endeavor one’s witness may be impaired and the grace itself frustrated and ultimately lost.

(Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Malachi 3:2-3; Matthew 3:11-12; Luke 3:16-17; John 7:37-39; 14:15-23; 17:6-20; Acts 1:5; 2:1-4; 15:8-9; Romans 6:11-13, 19; 8:1-4, 8-14; 12:1-2; 2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1; Galatians 2:20; 5:16-25; Ephesians 3:14-21; 5:17-18, 25-27; Philippians 3:10-15; Colossians 3:1-17; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24; Hebrews 4:9-11; 10:10-17; 12:1-2; 13:12; 1 John 1:7, 9)

(“Christian perfection,” “perfect love”: Deuteronomy 30:6; Matthew 5:43-48; 22:37-40; Romans 12:9-21; 13:8-10; 1 Corinthians 13; Philippians 3:10-15; Hebrews 6:1; 1 John 4:17-18

“Heart purity”: Matthew 5:8; Acts 15:8-9; 1 Peter 1:22; 1 John 3:3

“Baptism with the Holy Spirit”: Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Malachi 3:2-3; Matthew 3:11-12; Luke 3:16-17; Acts 1:5; 2:1-4; 15:8-9

“Fullness of the blessing”: Romans 15:29

“Christian holiness”: Matthew 5:1-7:29; John 15:1-11; Romans 12:1-15:3; 2 Corinthians 7:1; Ephesians 4:17-5:20; Philippians 1:9-11; 3:12-15; Colossians 2:20-3:17; 1 Thessalonians 3:13; 4:7-8; 5:23; 2 Timothy 2:19-22; Hebrews 10:19-25; 12:14; 13:20-21; 1 Peter 1:15-16; 2 Peter 1:1-11; 3:18; Jude 20-21)


XI. The Church

15. We believe in the Church, the community that confesses Jesus Christ as Lord, the covenant people of God made new in Christ, the Body of Christ called together by the Holy Spirit through the Word.

God calls the Church to express its life in the unity and fellowship of the Spirit; in worship through the preaching of the Word, observance of the sacraments, and ministry in His name; by obedience to Christ and mutual accountability.

The mission of the Church in the world is to continue the redemptive work of Christ in the power of the Spirit through holy living, evangelism, discipleship, and service.

The Church is a historical reality, which organizes itself in culturally conditioned forms; exists both as local congregations and as a universal body; sets apart persons called of God for specific ministries. God calls the Church to live under His rule in anticipation of the consummation at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

(Exodus 19:3; Jeremiah 31:33; Matthew 8:11; 10:7; 16:13-19, 24; 18:15-20; 28:19-20; John 17:14-26; 20:21-23; Acts 1:7-8; 2:32-47; 6:1-2; 13:1; 14:23; Romans 2:28-29; 4:16; 10:9-15; 11:13-32; 12:1-8; 15:1-3; 1 Corinthians 3:5-9; 7:17; 11:1, 17-33; 12:3, 12-31; 14:26-40; 2 Corinthians 5:11-6:1; Galatians 5:6, 13-14; 6:1-5, 15; Ephesians 4:1-17; 5:25-27; Philippians 2:1-16; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-12; 1 Timothy 4:13; Hebrews 10:19-25; 1 Peter 1:1-2, 13; 2:4-12, 21; 4:1-2, 10-11; 1 John 4:17; Jude 24; Revelation 5:9-10)


XII. Baptism

16. We believe that Christian baptism, commanded by our Lord, is a sacrament signifying acceptance of the benefits of the atonement of Jesus Christ, to be administered to believers and declarative of their faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior, and full purpose of obedience in holiness and righteousness.

Baptism being a symbol of the new covenant, young children may be baptized, upon request of parents or guardians who shall give assurance for them of necessary Christian training.

Baptism may be administered by sprinkling, pouring, or immersion, according to the choice of the applicant.

(Matthew 3:1-7; 28:16-20; Acts 2:37-41; 8:35-39; 10:44-48; 16:29-34; 19:1-6; Romans 6:3-4; Galatians 3:26-28; Colossians 2:12; 1 Peter 3:18-22)


XIII. The Lord’s Supper

17. We believe that the Memorial and Communion Supper instituted by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is essentially a New Testament sacrament, declarative of His sacrificial death, through the merits of which believers have life and salvation and promise of all spiritual blessings in Christ. It is distinctively for those who are prepared for reverent appreciation of its significance, and by it they show forth the Lord’s death till He come again. It being the Communion feast, only those who have faith in Christ and love for the saints should be called to participate therein.

(Exodus 12:1-14; Matthew 26:26-29; Mark 14:22-25; Luke 22:17-20; John 6:28-58; 1 Corinthians 10:14-21; 11:23-32)


XIV. Divine Healing

18. We believe in the Bible doctrine of divine healing and urge our people to seek to offer the prayer of faith for the healing of the sick. We also believe God heals through the means of medical science.

(2 Kings 5:1-19; Psalm 103:1-5; Matthew 4:23-24; 9:18-35; John 4:46-54; Acts 5:12-16; 9:32-42; 14:8-15; 1 Corinthians 12:4-11; 2 Corinthians 12:7-10; James 5:13-16)


XV. Second Coming of Christ

19. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ will come again; that we who are alive at His coming shall not precede them that are asleep in Christ Jesus; but that, if we are abiding in Him, we shall be caught up with the risen saints to meet the Lord in the air, so that we shall ever be with the Lord.

(Matthew 25:31-46; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:9-11; Philippians 3:20-21; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 9:26-28; 2 Peter 3:3-15; Revelation 1:7-8; 22:7-20)


XVI. Resurrection, Judgment, and Destiny

20. We believe in the resurrection of the dead, that the bodies both of the just and of the unjust shall be raised to life and united with their spirits-“they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

21. We believe in future judgment in which every person shall appear before God to be judged according to his or her deeds in this life.

22. We believe that glorious and everlasting life is assured to all who savingly believe in, and obediently follow, Jesus Christ our Lord; and that the finally impenitent shall suffer eternally in hell.

(Genesis 18:25; 1 Samuel 2:10; Psalm 50:6; Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:31-46; Mark 9:43-48; Luke 16:19-31; 20:27-38; John 3:16-18; 5:25-29; 11:21-27; Acts 17:30-31; Romans 2:1-16; 14:7-12; 1 Corinthians 15:12-58; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 2 Thessalonians 1:5-10; Revelation 20:11-15; 22:1-15)



What about eschatology?

July 21, 2008

With all the fuss going around lately it really made me think more about eschatology and and where I stand on this. Some folks have assumed they know where I stand on this so let me take a couple of quick comments.

I believe that even the apostle Paul and other apostles may have believed that Jesus was returning in the time they were in. Since then many types of end times thoughts and belief’s have emerged. I do believe thought the Lord Jesus wants us to be prepared at all times with our lamps filled with oil and wearing the proper garments.

I do believe that there will be a literal anti-christ. One guy who will be empowered by satan and who will do lying signs and wonders. He will have a false prophet doing his public relations for him.

I am not a pre trib guy because of what Matt 24 states about the Lord and the trumpet being blown and the faithful being taken away after the tribulation. I know there are different opinions on this and if a pre trib rapture happens I am willing to go I am not seeking any adventure here. I am more in the pre wrath camp on all this. However it goes down Im sure God will prepare His people for whatever happens. I do not see where the rapture was taught in the early church (and I know there are dissenting views on this as well). It seems this did not come along until the 1800 and Darby. This could have been because of a number of reasons one could be that God was preparing His people for something that would be coming soon. We all just need to remember no one knows the day or hour when Jesus will return. I avoid guys like Jack Impe well I just avoid him because he is a date setter.

I however am not in the Preterists camp at all.


One of the biggest problems is that perhaps some do not believe in a literal antichrist so they ignore much what is currently going on inside Christianity.

There is going to be a one world religion eventually taken over by one man who will be the antichrist I think we can see a lot of that forming most of all with guys like Rick Warren.

 Rick Warren states on pages 285-286 of his book, “The Purpose Driven Life,” that Jesus told his disciples, “The details of my return are none of your business.”  And Warren also suggests that the study of prophecy is a diversion of the devil.

This is just a lie folks.

 2 Timothy3:16-17 states

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

All scripture would include prophecy. Rick Warren took and distorted a small portion of Matt 24 to suit his purpose while ignoring the rest of the text where Jesus goes into details about the signs that will come before His return. The Lord tells us in Matt24:22 to be prepared.  Concerning Rick Warren remember Jesus stated in Matt 24:5 “Take heed that no man deceive you.” Look also at Mark 13:5-37 where Jesus speak prophetically.

Look also at Luke 12:35-47

35 “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. 38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”
41 Then Peter said to Him, “Lord, do You speak this parable only to us, or to all people?
42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

So I guess it would be a good things to watch for the signs, and study prophecy but most of all prepare for our Lords Return because no one know the hour.

 Do I think that Rick Warren is the antichrist?

Of course not.

 Rick Warren is a very astute businessman but the antichrist will provide deception on a level this world has never seen before.

The sad thing is there is another camp that takes all this way to lightly and even jokes about it.

These are very serious times we are to  avoid those who continue to joke about this. And you surely dont want to hear about a heads up about deception from the other camp. Because then it will either be false or to late. Ultimatley you have to decide who is a good, relaible source of imformation.

Those who rely on scripture.

Or those who rely on their own writings.

This was not meant to be a huge article on eschatology and the many different views. You can goggle the topic if you want to see the varying views.

The Lord stated we should be ready at all times.

You decide.


From Lighthouse Trails

July 21, 2008

From Deb at Lighthouse Trails-


Contemplative/emerging spirituality is on the rise.  And unfortunately, Christian leaders are helping to make this a reality. Popular and often trusted Christian speakers are sharing platforms with those who strongly promote un-biblical spiritual persuasions, and when they are challenged for doing so, they say it must be done in order to further the Gospel insisting that these differences are minor and insignificant. Other trusted leaders are placing their endorsements on the books of contemplative/emerging figures, and when challenged, they simply flash their educational credentials and ignore the concerns. 

Slowly (and sometimes not so slowly), these Christian leaders are changing. Putting financial security, popularity, fear of loss, and personal pride above doing what is right without compromise, they have begun to take on the characteristics of those they have endorsed, promoted, and stood next to.
Where once many of them preached the unadulterated Word of God, now they speak of community, unity, mystical experience, and a kingdom they call God’s that in actuality is a kingdom of this world. They say the Gospel cannot be effective unless everyone is willing to work together, and when they say everyone, they mean everyone.
In contrast, the apostle Paul preached the Gospel to all who would listen, but when it came to false doctrines, he made it very clear where he stood. If these leaders continue on their present path, the day may soon come when such a blending and weakening has occurred that the gospel they preach will be no different than the gospel of this world, which is no gospel at all.

I am very glad to announce that author of “Time of Departing” and “For Many Shall Come In My Name” Ray Yungen will be speaking at my church the Piqua Church of the Nazerene. Ray is a speaker and research analyst has studied religious movements for the last twenty years. There will be two-40 minute sessions (session 1-New Age & Contemplative Prayer & session 2- The Emergent Church/Interspirituality followed by a 1/2 hour Q&A session. There will be a love offering taken up for Ray at this service.

Here is the rest of Rays schedule-


If you would like to have Ray Yungen speak to your group, please call us at 503/873-9092 or email us at to arrange the details. Ray will speak to both large and small groups, college and high school students, at seminars and conferences and in people’s homes. He charges no fee, but we ask each group to pay for his lodging and food during his stay, and honorarium offerings can be given to his ministry to help cover travel expenses, research materials, etc.

2008 Schedule

APRIL 2008
Filming by Caryl Productions for the upcoming DVD on the emerging church
Menifee, California

July 2008
Available in British Columbia, Canada for month of July

July 27, 2008
Piqua Church of the Nazarene
400 South Sunset Drive
Piqua Ohio
Two sessions at 6pm
No charge. Free will offering will be taken.

August 1-3, 2008
Franklin Road Baptist Church
51 North Franklin Road
Indianapolis, Indiana
Saturday August 2, 6:00 p.m
Sunday August 3, 9:00 a.m., 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. (all four talks will be different)
No charge. Free-will offering will be taken.

Pastors and Leaders Conference (OPEN TO ALL)
The Shepherd and the Watchmen conference
Johnson County Calvary Chapel
Johnson County, Kansas
Thursday, August 7th, 6:30-9:00pm
Friday, August 8th, 8am-8pm, with breakfast, lunch, and dinner
Saturday, August 9th, 7am-1pm, with breakfast and lunch
Sunday June 10th, 10am Service

No charge. Free will offering taken.

For more information contact 913-829-9306

August 10-11, 2008 (WARREN SMITH AND RAY YUNGEN)
Calvary Chapel of Clarinda
1500 S. 14th
Clarinda, Iowa

August 16, 2008
Cedarburg Cultural Center
W62 N546 Washington Avenue
Cedarburg, Wisconsin
Saturday 8am-12noon

August 17, 2008
Lake Country Bible Church
meeting at: Lake Country School
1800 Vettleson Road

Hartland, Wisconsin
Sunday 9:30am and 6:00pm
(two different talks)

August 23, 2008
AM- Interview with Jan Markell on KKMS

Afternoon: 1pm-5pm – Twin City Fellowship
“A Time of Departing Conference”
2734 Rhode Island Ave S
St. Louis Park, MN
Corner of W 28th St & Rhode Island Ave S
For further information, please call 952-935-3100.
No charge. Free willing offering will be taken.

August 28-31, 2008
Winkler/Winnipeg, Manitoba

Montana – Tentative

West Coast

October29, 2008
Calvary Chapel Redding

Nov. 1-2 (with Warren Smith)
Big Valley Bible Church
226 Poplar
Lodi, CA


False Brethern

July 21, 2008

This is important, please read all of the following verses first because it really doesn’t matter what I say or what I think. It really only matter’s what God’s Word says.

Acts 20:29-30

29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves”

Check out this quote from Rick Warren

“I would match any 1,000 members of Saddleback to any 1,000 members of any other church in terms of spiritual maturity, godliness, Scriptures memorized, serving in ministry, and doing missions around the world.”

Then go back and look at Warrens root and tell me what kind of fruit those efforts will truly produce.

Look at a couple more of Ricks own comments.

Most people have no idea- zero- of what is Saddleback Church is really like. They have bought into all the stupid misinformation that circulates on the internet, and in books by people who aren’t even believers and have never even talked to me.

2 Cor 11:4-6,12-14

For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

 5 For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles. 6 Even though I am untrained in speech, yet I am not in knowledge. But we have been thoroughly manifested among you in all things.

12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

1 Tim 6:10

10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

2 Tim 3:13

13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived”

2 Tim 4:3

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;”

2 Peter 2:1-3

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

2 Peter 3:15-16

15 and consider thatthe longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.


1 John 1:19-21

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

1John 4:5-6

5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. 6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

Jude 10

10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves”

Jude 16

16 These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage.”

And here is what the Old Testament says about the character of the anti-christ

Daniel 8:23-25

23 “ And in the latter time of their kingdom,
      When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
      A king shall arise,
      Having fierce features,
      Who understands sinister schemes.
       24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
      He shall destroy fearfully,
      And shall prosper and thrive;
      He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
       25 “ Through his cunning
      He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;
      And he shall exalt himself in his heart.
      He shall destroy many in their prosperity.
      He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;
      But he shall be broken without human means.

2 Thess 2:3-12

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”


Now if you have skipped all the scripture I have quoted and just scrolled down to what I have to say there is a good chance you could be false brethren.

Why? Beause what I have to say certainly is not as important as what scripture teaches.

Some wonder why I have such a problem with Rick Warren and the new way he has built.

The problem I have with Rick is he did not build his man made empire (Saddleback and Purpose Driven way) on what God’s word teaches but instead he used his own man made business techniques and savvy marketing.

Rick went around and asked unsaved people what they wanted in a church and he served it up. It really is no more complex than that. Warren relied on the council of the unsaved to build his empire.

Go read Acts 2:37-42. And this is not just Rick error but the error of all that practice seeker sensitive methods. It just doesnt jive with scripture. But they brag about there numbers. The numbers mean nothing if they are false conversions. And I do not believe that God honors business savvy efforts if they dont align with scripture no matter what the numbers of false conversions look like.

God also does not honor people who are a braggart and prideful.

Pride comes before the fall something we all need to listen to.

Check out this quote from Rick Warren

“I would match any 1,000 members of Saddleback to any 1,000 members of any other church in terms of spiritual maturity, godliness, Scriptures memorized, serving in ministry, and doing missions around the world.”

Then go back and look at Warrens root and tell me what kind of fruit those efforts will truly produce.

Look at a couple more of Ricks own comments.

Most people have no idea- zero- of what is Saddleback Church is really like. They have bought into all the stupid misinformation that circulates on the internet, and in books by people who aren’t even believers and have never even talked to me.

“Never believe second- hand sources about Saddleback. They are ALWAYS wrong.”

But wait a minute here both Chris Rosebrough and Bob Dewaay did have a first hand conversation with Rick Warren at Saddleback.

You can go to Chris’s website and see what Chris came away with here on Chris’s own site. Chris as well had conversations with Ricks unofficial spokesperson Richard Abanes as well and still came away with “Purpose Driven preaching is Christless Christianity”

source and Chris’s site

What Bob Dewaay came away with after meeting with Rick Warren.

May 31, 2008

Bob Dewaay wrote

I wrote my book, Redefining Christianity, assuming that Rick Warren actually believes the Saddleback Church’s statement of faith, but that he refuses to preach it because he wants to be popular with the world and grow his movement. I still think that could still be true—I give him the benefit of the doubt.

At the Saddleback Church conference he was speaking of winning souls for Christ and talking about his father’s legacy of building churches and winning souls. More than likely he believes Baptist doctrine. But along the way he was derailed by reading the church growth theory of Donald McGavran. While in seminary I studied under a disciple of McGavran. McGavran’s book was required reading. His philosophy hinges on this idea: “people do not become Christian for theological reasons, but for sociological ones.”

Rick Warren believed McGavran and set out to study people to find out what makes them tick so he could get them into church — thus “Saddleback Sam.” Purpose Driven is a franchise system to multiply this idea into other churches. Warren tells pastors that they do not have to change any doctrine to join his movement. The reason for that is that doctrine becomes unimportant because it is no longer taught. I don’t think Rick Warren changed his Baptist doctrine either; he just doesn’t allow it to determine what he teaches and what he does. When we met that is what I challenged him about.

So I have not moved in my beliefs nor have I changed my position on any doctrines I have preached.

I will not allow myself to be pitted against any of Warren’s critics. I read Warren Smith’s book and spoke with him on the phone. He is a wonderful brother. The New Age implications are in Rick Warren’s movement and are helping lead toward a One World church. But because he has publicly made statements besides his statement of faith that he believes there is a literal hell and that people without Christ will go there, I don’t believe Rick Warren is a true New Age believer, and neither does Warren Smith. Warren Smith simply says there are New Age implications to what Rick Warren is doing, and I agree with him.

Tomorrow morning I will make a statement clarifying what I mean when I said that we did not have theological disagreements in our meeting. Rick Warren did not disagree with my positions on doctrine in our meeting. But he did not comment on everything I said. Please read my book, because in it I point out that Rick Warren privately affirms orthodox Christian theology—he did so again in our presence. So this is not news worthy.

To set the record straight, for those who think I am suddenly okay with Rick Warren – I am not. I asked him to preach Christ and honor the idea of scripture alone – and I pointed out that he cannot have a “reformation” based on general revelation.

These are huge issues and he did not say he was going to change anything—but he did not disagree. Do Warren’s supporters really think that having an orthodox theology in private is all that God expects of a preacher? Do they think we should not hold Rick Warren accountable to sola scriptura? Do they think that we can have any old ministry philosophy even if doing so totally changes the definition of the church and her message from how the Bible defines them?

I challenge Rick Warren’s supporters to step up to the plate and demand that Rick Warren repent, as I requested him to do in my book. That statement is posted at Otherwise they have no business claiming that I agree with them.

Bob DeWaay

Another problem and danger here is Richard Abanes. Richard spin is highly tuned and often blames people who disagree with Rick Warren a number of ways.

Here is but a few examples

Warren Smith is a former New Ager who for many years has produced material exposing the false teachings of not only the New Age Movement, but also various other religious belief systems based on unbiblical forms of spirituality. By serving God in this way, Smith has been of great service to the body of Christ. Unfortunately, Smith is now most notable for his concentrated and persistent attacks against Rick Warren (author of The Purpose-Driven Life and The Purpose Driven Church). “end quote source

My comment

So Warren Smith has been of great service to the Body of Christ until he disagreed with Rick Warren.

And on Chris Rosebrough

” I think you’re interpreting Warren’s words through your sensitivity as a Lutheran to anything that even hints of the law.”

Chris’s reply

“So this is not a Lutheran doctrine that I am defending this is a Christian and Biblical doctrine that I am defending.” source

And Richard has now went so far as to impute Bud Press’s sense of discernment to Bud’s nickname.


Richard then goes on to mock Bud’s service to our country in the special forces through his own Abanes innuendo. This is a new low for even Richard Abanes.

And Abanes accuses Bud Press and myself of slander. Wow, simply unbelivable. I want to state though I do not need to defend my friend and brother in the Lord Bud Press. The truth will always defend itself through the Holy Spirit.

Bud Press and his website are known worldwide for providing irrefutable research and factual information. Abanes in his article does not provide not even one piece on evidence where Bud is in error about scripture or research.

The reason is that Richard doesnt provide any evidence against Bud is because there is none.

You decide whether you want to believe Abanes rhetoric of Bud Press’s facts.

You see with Abanes when it comes to Rick Warren everyone is wrong except for poor mistreated Richard.

And Richard will point and blame and whine and cry like some poor hurt soul while he continues to throw biblically based ministries under the bus.

The reason perhaps the Abanes will not do a update on Ken Blanchard and why Richard so staunchly tries to protect Rick Warrens faith?

Its because he has to or he gets kicked out of the club.

Look at this quote from Rick Warren.”We take membership extremely seriously at Saddleback Church, and people who don’t abide by the covenant are disciplined and removed.” source

Richard Abanes if he is a member of Saddleback signed the Saddleback membership covenant (which is another unbiblical practice of Rick Warrens way). Richard promises to follow the leaders of Saddleback.

Here is some commentary from my brother in the Lord Paul Proctor on this subject-

c) “…By following the leaders” (Regardless of their error or deceit?)


Warren’s scripture reference:

“Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be no advantage to you.” – Heb. 13:17


Just as Romans 13 is so often misused today to persuade us that we should blindly obey those given governmental authority over us, even if it goes against God’s Word and Will (as tragically demonstrated by the rise and reign of Adolph Hitler over Germany during WW II), Hebrews 13 CAN BE and OFTEN IS misused in the same way regarding leadership and “followship” in the church. Having come from a Willow Creek member church myself whose pastor regularly deceived and abused his flock by dedicating much, if not most of his “ministry” time consolidating for himself a political powerbase from which every decision he made could be forced upon the church body without question or discussion, I understand all too well the danger of absolute power. You see — Rick Warren’s church membership covenant makes no exception here for errant pastors, staff members or teachers who disobey or disavow scripture to carry out some other agenda. This is an open door for corruption, especially in a church that is scripturally illiterate and emotionally driven. “



In conclusion you will have to decide for yourself who is the false brethren and who is not.

 I suggest you strictly use scripture as your measuring rod here.


The point is both Richard Abanes and the ministries Abanes opposes (including mine) cant both be right.


Someone is wrong because we are diametrically opposite of each other even though both may claim to believe a orthodox statement of the Christian faith..


Sure someone can cut and paste any kind of statement of faith and say they are following it.


But we are to test all things and check the fruit on the tree.


You decide who is of God and who is not of God.


Let the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth not me.



Tim Wirth

With all of the “attack” accusations flying around, I thought I would post the below article I wrote a few years ago. Hopefully, it will demonstrate that the same accusations are used by the dedicated followers of false prophets and false teachers–in particular the cults and the hyper-heretical Word-Faith Movement.

Attacking Men Of God?

As one who has been involved in an apologetics ministry for years, it sickens me, and I’m sure my colleagues, to be accused of “attacking” the most dangerous and prolific false prophets and false teachers of our day, especially when clear-cut, easy-to-comprehend documentation is provided.


“Why are you attacking an anointed man of God?!” they ask.

“I’m warning you! Stop attacking this prophet of God!” they warn.

“Who are you to attack the anointed? If he is wrong then God will deal with him, not you!” they ramble.

“Heresy hunter! Heresy hunter! You are on dangerous ground for attacking a child of God!” they yell.

“I’ve never heard him say that. You’re just making that up. You will suffer for your attacks on the servants of the Lord!” they threaten.

And on, and on, and on. Their carbon-copy cries are as a broken record, with nothing more to offer than accusations.

With all of the “attacking” going on, one would think the one exposing the deception had led a hoard of savage Vikings into a church or a crusade to successfully pillage, plunder and vandalize the works of God.

Please, give us a break. Cut us some slack. Chill-out and think.

The Christian gains discernment by studying God’s word. Christians make God’s word their final authority. Do your homework. Read and listen to the evidence, then compare the evidence with the final authority.

When you realize you have followed a false teacher–and have been conditioned to lash-out at those who share the truth in love–swallow your pride and join the battle against deception.

“The wicked man flees though no one pursues, but the righteous are as bold as a lion” (Proverbs 28:1).

In Christ,
Bud Press
(Jude 3)

I have  Abanes seen the fuss lately that both Bud’s article and mine have caused. It really does show there are two methods of thought here. Again I leave it up to you the reader to decide where the truth is in all this. If you dont think my site and article’s are biblically based I urge you to reject them. But there are two different camps here.

In Michael at Phoenix Preacher’s latest article he used the word wanker to describe Roger Oakland as well as my fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord. Folks this is a bad word and refers to someone who masturbates. In my camp I dont see any of us lumping the opposite camp with words like this. Also Michael told Bud Press to bleep off invoking and implying the f bomb here. And yet the people who frequest Michaels blog let all this fly. Michael even suggested to one of his friends to use the word wanker and his friend politely refused letting Michael know that this was a bad word. And these folks are calling themselves ambassadors for Christ?

Michael cant even get very basic civility down and you are going to rely on Michael for spiritual matters?

Good luck on that.

I was really glad that Michael got a job obviously with usuing language like that I certainely would not expect God to honor his ministry and let his ministry pay his bills. So again Im glad Michael got a day job to support his family.

And now Richard Abanes has come out with another article where he talks a lot and says nothing. If you really want a chuckle go to Richard Abanes under Wikepedia and really go over what all has been stated here. Richard has self written endorsement on himself has been called out on many things including factual information. This was based on what Wikepedia calls weasel-worded statements. How true for Abanes.

I have noticed on Richards continued comments on Todd Bentley at Phoenix preacher how Richard is pointing out the obvious cons and side show tactics that Todd uses’s as well as other side show ministries.

Thats great and the observations were good but even unsaved people notice how guys like Benny Hinn are con men and operate side shows. The real point here is that Richard is unable to dscern spirtitual matters that concern the Body of Christ. But thats an ongoing problem with Richard Abanes or he would no longer atten Saddleback.

A word of caution both Bud Press and myself got hit with a trojan virus when going to Richards site. Both our security systems that are in place stopped the virus. But use caution going to Richards site both for the virus and lack of truth. Things like Abanes site and information dont rely on a computor protection service to stop but rather Gods word. And perhaps only myself and Buds IP address’s were targeted but use caution going there.

 here is the link go read in depth for yourself

Now you have to decide whether you want to get your information and truth from someone who uses weasel worded statements and those who use foul language.

Or factual information based on biblically solid truth and accurate carefully researched information.

No matter how this other camp wines and moans people are really getting hip to the false teaching and false methods of guys like Rick Warren and Todd Bentley.

Sandy Simpson’s site alone is getting over a million hits a month.

Someone is listening.

You decide where you want to get whats true and most of all balance everything stated against scripture.


Tim Wirth

Dear Tim:

This post is for the benefit of your readers who are interested in truth. Although this post does not reveal the entire story, it may very well develop into an informative article in the future.

There are truths and there are lies, and it is up to us to discern the difference between the two. When faced with truth we have a choice: deny it, compromise, and make excuses, or accept it–regardless of personal agendas, personal feelings, or personal ties.

Indeed, solid, irrefutable documentation stands on its own and cannot be denied. Documentation displaces ad hominem, innuendo, and off-the-cuff statements. It also provides people with the other side of the story and allows them to “test” and think on their own, as opposed to accepting someone’s word.

People deserve truth at all times, even if it hurts, for it is truth that sets people free.

This year, I spent a considerable amount of time carefully reviewing and preserving the articles on Richard Abanes’ website, specifically those that dealt with Ken Blanchard and his involvement with and participation in the New Age Movement. I have also monitored and preserved Abanes’ movements on numerous internet blogs and elsewhere.

Later, I felt led to contact Abanes and provide information on Ken Blanchard that he may not have been aware of. Despite his treatment of myself and others, and despite Ken Blanchard’s strong ties with Rick Warren, I gave Abanes the benefit of the doubt and reached out to him in love.

During an exchange of e-mails, Abanes requested updated information on Ken Blanchard, to which I gladly provided. On numerous occasions, Abanes gave his word to issue a public statement on Ken Blanchard, and even went so far to say he would privately inform his pastor, Rick Warren.

But as of this writing, Richard Abanes has not kept his word, and has even gone so far as to help me with the following “tantalizing conspiratorial scenario” on Ken Blanchard:

“Ken Blanchard, who is really my Uncle Kenny, called and pleaded with me to not expose his true New Age agenda, which is to teach the church how to Lead Like A New Age Jesus. And to bribe me, he deposited $30 million into a Swiss Bank account with the last 3 numbers being 666. I told him that this would be acceptable, and that I’d never say anything negative about his book endorsements or associations with new Agers as long as I not only got the cash, but also was promoted to the Regional Director of the Illuminati, complete with my own special ‘I’ embroidered blazer, a coat of arms pin, and a direct special hot phone line to the Vatican” (CRN.Info blog, June 6, 2008 at 10:32am, ).

This is disturbing. Equally disturbing is that in the same post Abanes accused me of harassment, and stated in part that:

“I told you that I’d get to Ken Blanchard and make my report when possible, given my responsibilities. I’ve already begun the research, and have even posted a caution about him to persons visiting my website.”

But again, as of this writing, Richard Abanes has not kept his word. And, because of the strong ties between Ken Blanchard and Rick Warren, I will be surprised if Abanes keeps his word on this issue at all.

My first letter to Richard Abanes was on March 11, 2008–over 4 months ago! During our exchange of e-mails I granted Abanes permission to link to my articles on Ken Blanchard and post my e-mails on his website. I have nothing to hide, and would like to see Abanes post ALL of our correspondence on his website and blogs, in their entirety, for the world to see.

Richard Abanes reached out to me and asked for updates on Ken Blanchard. But behind-the-scenes, he reached out to his constituency with something entirely different.

For example, one of Richard Abanes’ excuses for not dealing with the Ken Blanchard issue was the responsibilities with his new book. But since my first letter to him on March 11, those responsibilities didn’t stop Abanes from spending an incredible amount of time posting lengthy messages in various blogs and dealing with New Agers on “YouTube.” Many of his blog posts had nothing to do with his new book.

I knew exactly when Abanes’ part in the book was finished. I talked to his editor.

Speaking of blog posts, in the Phoenix Preacher blog on April 17, 2008, a poster named “Dusty” asked the question, “Anyone heard of Christian Research Service?” Yet, despite the fact that Abanes had requested updates from me on Ken Blanchard, he stated to Dusty with the following:

Richard Abanes
April 17th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Dusty: Anyone heard of Christian Research Service?
RA: Yes. Bad. False. Slander. Sensationalistic. Knee-jerk. A guy named Bud Press. I am pretty much a heretic, iar, and compromiser to them.
[ ]

One minute later in the same blog, Abanes stated:

Richard Abanes
April 17th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
I’ve tried to take civilly with Bud Press, but he will have none of it. He is one of the people whose thoughts about me are echoed in the above list I posted of accusations that have ben made against me this year. [Ibid.]

Again, in the same blog at 8;27 pm, Richard Abanes stated:

“ROFL. Yeah, it’s called truth. Oh, and I actually get along very very well with the REAL discernment folk out there. Lots of very good ministries that have nothing to do with these Bud Press types.”

On April 29, 2008, Richard Abanes wrote me a “DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN” e-mail, then turned around on May 10 and requested additional information on Ken Blanchard and asked me to “Please send it again.”

Needless to say, all Abanes had to do was go to the “Ken Blanchard/Lead Like Jesus?” page of my website and find the information I had provided to him in the first place.

But here we are now, Tim, months later, and Abanes is still ranting and raving about all the “lies/slander” being spread about him. Sadly, he is too spiritually blinded to see that he is his own worst enemy. It is he who has destroyed his reputation and integrity, and it is we who have nothing to fear from him or others like him.

With dedicated vengeance, Richard Abanes has waged a battle and attempted to destroy many solid, Bible-based ministries. But he is fighting a loosing battle.

Many of those I have spoken to within the apologetics and cult-evangelism communities have had their own encounters with Richard Abanes. They all maintain, as I, that there is no reasoning with him and that he has damaged his reputation and integrity on his own.

Unless Abanes fully repents and reconciles, he is on his way to self-destruction and judgement from God.

“When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, the foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest” (Proverbs 29:9)

So I say to Richard Abanes and those like him, keep Rolling On the Floor Laughing (ROFL); keep mocking ministries called of God to share the truth and defend the faith; keep twisting the truth and causing the innocent to stumble. After all the dust has settled, God will have the last word.

“The one who guards his mouth preserves his life; the one who opens wide his lips comes to ruin” (Proverbs 13:3).

“At the same time they also learn to be idle, as they go around from house to house; and not merely idle, but also gossips and busybodies, talking about things not proper to mention” (1 Timothy 5:13).

“Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting” (Romans 16:17-18).

God bless you, Tim. Stay strong in the Lord.

Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
Jude 3

Related reading:

Letters to Richard Abanes…

Richard Abanes Issues Warning About Ken Blanchard…

Ken Blanchard/Lead Like Jesus? Research Page