New article from my brothers and sisters in the Lord at Lighthouse Trail’s Research Dave and Deb Dombrowski. The Dombrowski’s have steadily been a solid source of biblical based information. I heartily encourage you to check their website and  get up to date news and information about the growing deception that is infecting Christianity from businessman and false teachers such as Rick Warren among others.

Here is the article from Lighthouse Trails Blog-

For those who read the Time article and are not familiar with Rick Warren’s previous statements and teachings, Warren’s reformation may appear to be a biblically-based reformation, one that represents the Christian church, caring about the poor and needy. But Warren has defined this “new reformation” and how he intends to “re-engineer” the Christian faith. For instance, when Warren spoke at the Pew Forum on Religion in 2005, he told the audience that his new Christian reformation would include those from other faiths (in particularly Muslims). So when Warren talks about extending his vision to “the wider Evangelical community,” this is an inaccurate remark because Warren has intended for that extension to include people of all faiths, as well as people of no faith and as well as those practicing homosexuality:

Who’s the man of peace in any village – or it might be a woman of peace – who has the most respect, they’re open and they’re influential? They don’t have to be a Christian. In fact, they could be a Muslim, but they’re open and they’re influential and you work with them to attack the five giants. And that’s going to bring the second Reformation. – Rick Warren, May 2005, < href=””>Pew Forum on Religion

In an interview in August 2006 with Charlie Rose, Warren stated that we don’t have to have the same religion or moral beliefs to work with people on poverty, disease, etc. As an example he said he just met with the President of the gay-activist group ACT UP, and asked him, “Eric [Sawyer], how can I help you get your message out?” Sawyer answered, “Use your moral authority.” Warren then said to Rose, “I’m working with these guys … I’m looking for a coalition of civility, which means let’s get back to the original meaning of tolerance.”

Not only will Warren’s PEACE plan for a new reformation include Muslims and gays, it will also include those with New Age propensities. Just this month, Warren hosted a Small Groups Conference in which New Age sympathizer Leonard Sweet was a featured speaker. Sweet’s spirituality is unveiled in his book Quantum Spiritualitywhere he resonates wholeheartedly with New Age mystics (like Matthew Fox and Ken Wilber) and says that we can help people find their “christ-consciousness” through small groups. Warren has promoted Leonard Sweet for many years and clearly continues to do so with virtually no response or critique from Christian leaders around the world.

Without question, Warren’s reformation will include mysticism. He stated that very precisely many years ago in his first book, Purpose Driven Church, when he said the Spiritual Formation movement (via Richard Foster) would be a wake up call to the church. This makes sense given the fact that Warren’s 20 year plus mentor was Peter Drucker who had mystical propensities.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Warren’s new reformation will include the emerging church. Roger Oakland has documented this fact in his landmark book, Faith Undone, showing Warren’s continued participation and efforts in helping the emerging church become that next “reformation generation.”


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A concerned reader left this comment on my other website-


What do you know regarding Warren’s latest conference and the “generous” invitation he extended to his detractors in the discernment community to be his guests at the latest 3-day conference on the grounds of Saddleback? (all-expenses paid)

I ssume you were included in the list of those invited, as you have boldly taken on the subject of Warren yourself — as well as his staunch defender Richard Abanes.

Warren seems determined to sway his detractors and draw them into his his circle. This is without a doubt a very smooth move on his part, extending the hand of friendship to those who have tirelessly exposed the darker purposes of the Purpose Driven movement. Clever and diabolical are two terms that come to mind as describing Warren’s ploys. And foolish is the word that would best describe those who accepted his invitation… To think they’d “find something” in their time there to report back to their constituents was a little naive on their parts, I believe. Knowing Rick and his ability to put his best foot forward, I’d have thought better of our watchmen than to oblige themselves to Warren by accepting such an invitation. To think he’d invite their participation in this event if he thought they’d be able to find an ounce of anything unorthodox, offensive or false to report back to us about.

I’m deeply concerned about those who accepted Warren’s invitation to attend this 3-day conference. Chris Rosebrough, for example. He began live-blogging from the event but then mysteriously disappeared from the scene. If you’ll go on Chris’s website, his latest post is a Thank-you to Rick Warren and Saddleback for their generous hospitality and Rick’s genuine sincerity. Chris mentioned Bob DeWaayas being present there withhim, and the two of them together being treated to a gracious “one on one” meeting with Warren, from which it was determined that he was SOOOO sincere, SOOOOwilling to consider their grievances with him (so “conciliatory”…)

What’s going on here??? What were these guys thinking in accepting Warren’s deceptive overture to them? Did they think they would be impervious to his wiles, that they would be able to resist his charm, his disarming manner, his and “sincerity”?

I am most concerned. I am wondering how many of our illustrious watchmen took the bait to attend this conference that was deliberately designed, one might reason, to win their trust of Warren and thus discount all the negative reporting of Warren’s unbiblical goals, agenda, aspirations. We already know that that Warren weilds a charm that is disarming, and are we not fools to engage it, and to ingratiate ourselves to him for his “sincere generosity” and “hospitality”?

What can you tell us about the discernment community’s response to Warren’s unexpected 11th hour invitation to be his guests for a three-day immersion in carefully planned presentations and warm-fuzzy experiences?

I’m searching for some word from within the discernment community, some post-conference respoonse, and finding nothing (so far). Have we not just been played? I suspect that Warren may have succeeded in convincing his opponents that he is a harmless and lovable character after all, and the consummate gentleman, his knowledge of politics having served him well.

Ingrid has had precious little to say recently besides remarking that Chris Rosebroughwas asked by Warren to shut down his live blogging of the conference (with which he complied). Where is any comment post-conference from within the discernment fold? All I’m finding is silence, and it’s a little disconcerting.

What do you know about any of this, Tim? Can you tell us someething? Perhaps I’m asking prematurely. I suppose there may be some response show up later today…

That is the end of the readers comments from my No Goofy Zone Discernemnt Ministry website.

The post this person was refering to was here-

I expressed my concerns to Chris about this publically on his website. I also spoke to Chris a couple of times on the phone to get some more information on what is going on. After my conversation with Chris I must say I at this point I am not concened but I will be interested on how Chris responds to all this as well as how Bob Dewaay responds.

I however would not have went to the meeting for the following reasons.

1. Rick Warren is famed for how charming he can be. I believe Rick has a deceptive spirit around him though. For more on this turn your Bibles to Danial 8:23-24.

2. Rick Warren and what he does is very much out in the public. He is a member of the Council of Foreign Relation and spoke at the Davos conferance with Emergent Church leader Brian McLaren

read this article by Joe Farah and the Davos article by Herescope.

I really dont have anything to say to Rick Warren but repent and stop deceiving the thousands of churches in the Body of Christ with all his false teachings and associations.

I do not believe anything outside of a direct act from God would convince Rick Warren to repent and cease his false teaching and leading the Body of Christ astray.

But God is still a God of Miracles.

He is also a God that will turn you over to a reprobate mind if you dont repent.

Out of all the people invited( which the list included Deb and Dave Dombrowski, Ingrid, James Sundquist among some others) only Chris and Bob decided to go on Rick Warrens dime.

Im sure Saddleback and Warren checked damage control and sought the blogs and website’s with the most hits wanting to get the most bang for his buck.

Warren may be a lot of things but he is a brilliant businessman and knows how to do damage control.

At least thats my opinion.

Sad but I think no matter how Chris or Bob respond this is a win-win for Rick Warren because he paid their way.

Ingrids refusal publically on her website stated it best I thought.

I was personnally not invited to this meeting and would not go anywhere with Rick Warren picking up my tab. I would not spend a penny of that guys money period.

The bad thing about all this was that Abanes has run rapant on Chris’s blog with his usual half truth’s and lying tongue.

Richard even stated that this meeting was cancelled on another website because no one took Warrens offer which of course was not a true statement.

I asked Chris if he knew of any meeting that was supposed to have included Richard Abanes, he stated he hadnt heard of any other meeting that would have included Richard.

Update-In speaking with Chris on the phone today 5/30/2008 Chris stated to me that in a 3 hour meeting with Richard Abanes (he recently had) Richard indeed stated that there was another meeting that was supposed to take place with such heavy hitter such as Pastor John MacArthur. Since Pastor John didnt show up along with some others the meeting Richard was to supposably be part of was cancelled . This was also confirmed with someone from Saddleback church as well according to Chris. I will let you take away what you want and decide for yourselves what really happened. I personnally think Richard has a real problem with the truth. But thats my opinion because of Richards track record.

In the interest of truth I wanted to put that out there. Tim

Read my comments about that here

Maybe Richard is not as close a confidant as I have thought he was with Rick Warren.

But who really know’s.

 Richard appears to like to inflate the truth most of all when it includes himself.

Anyway I spoke to Chris today and he has stated he is working on a article and it would be up on his blog soon.

So of course its best to let Chris speak for himself , which Im sure he will do.

I have heard nothing about a responce from Bob Dewaay and I dont know him. But I would hope that he will respond as he is lead by the Lord.

Again Im not exactly sure of what would motivate anyone to sit at a table outside of a public arena with Rick Warren.

Most of all not on Ricks dime.

Plus the meeting was invitation only and not open to the public.

Jesus of course did nothing in secret.

 I know these invitation only meetings go on ten fold in the false teachers camps but I personally would not want to have been party to anything not out in the public arena where the true and false can be seen by everyone.

If there is nothing to hide-nothing will be hidden.

We”l see how this all plays out. Though I commend Chris and Bob for taking the time not just to react. But to sit and think prayfully about how they will respond.

If I had a tape of this meeting it would be out on U Tube whenever I got it and let the public take away what they will from it.

But Chris and Bob are accountable to God to respond as they see fit.

We will see what happens.

Tim Wirth




Daniel 8:23-24

And in the latter time of their kingdom,
      When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
      A king shall arise,
      Having fierce features,
      Who understands sinister schemes.
       24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
      He shall destroy fearfully,
      And shall prosper and thrive;
      He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
       25 “ Through his cunning
      He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;[c]
      And he shall exalt himself in his heart.
      He shall destroy many in their prosperity.
      He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;
      But he shall be broken without human means

Nicodemus Leaders

May 25, 2008

In this advent of a new religion forming through guys like Rick Warren with his followers such as Richard Abanes. A deceptive false voice crying out in the blogosphere dedicating to protecting this new religion. Its about time for Christians to really get back into their Bible to search the scriptures to see if what is being taught is true.

 Rick Warren is really starting to show his true colors as he proclaims that

“The biggest mistake that churches make is that sermons will produce spiritual maturity. They will not. It takes It takes more than prayer to grow a church.”

Source- quote from my article

 Rick Warren butcher’s scripture once again removing all the meat and leaving the fat.

I would state that the biggest mistake churches have made is following Rick Warren into the ditch that Rick Warren is leading them to.

Here is the article from Herescope


Friend, if you recognize that your church or denomination is moving in the wrong direction and have created (or have begun to create) their own religion of their own design which is not according to God’s Word – then you need to take a stand. If you remain silent because of “fear of the Jews,” then Jesus says that you are in darkness. If you are of the Truth, then you must come to the light, and you must let your light shine and you must speak up for the Truth.

Off course there will be repercussions. Yes, they will hate you, destroy your reputation, strip you of your position and cast you out as a piece of rubbish. Yes, you may lose all your friends, maybe even your salary, health and self-respect. But did they not do the same to Jesus and to all the men of God in the entire Bible? And did Jesus Himself not say:“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men. You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.” (Matthew 5:10-15).

Great new article from my brothers and sisters in the Lord at Herescope

Read the rest of the article here-


The first Reformation was about beliefs. This one needs to be about behavior.… We’ve had a Reformation; what we need now is a transformation.” [1] Rick Warren

“The transition… to a culture of peace is a process of individual, collective and institutional transformation.”[2] UNESCO Culture of Peace Programme

“Citizenship for the next century is learning to live together. The 21st Century city will be a city of social solidarity…. We have to redefine the words… [and write a new] social contract.” [3] Federico Mayor, former head of UNESCO.

Notice that when Rick originally promoted his PEACE Plan the acronym for P was Plant Churches.

Now that has been changed to Promoting Reconciliation.

Sounds good doesn’t it? You may ask so what if Rick changed what he was saying he does that all the time doesnt he? Well yes that’s quite true Rick changes what he says all the time but..

Actually it made my neck hairs stand up. This spelled Global Church, One World Religion to me.

What does it say to you?

I think we should treat all people of all religions with love and compassion. But the only reconcelliation a lost and dying world needs is Jesus Christ.

Is Warren promoting people to reconcile with Jesus Christ?

Of course not Warren is a pluralist check out the following statement”

At the 2005 United Nations Interfaith Prayer Breakfast, Rick Warren made the following comments to 100 delegates who represented various different religions:

I’m not talking about a religion this morning. You may be Catholic or Protestant or Buddhist or Baptist or Muslim or Mormon or Jewish or you may have no religion at all. I’m not interested in your religious background. Because God did not create the universe for us to have religion.2


I happen to know people who are followers of Christ in other religions.15–Rick Warren


Great set of article’s by my sister in the Lord Berit Kjos.

Here are the links to those articles-Tim

Part 1 The Emerging Global Church

The next article focus’s on Ken Blanchard who continues to endorse and praise books by New Age authors.

Part 2

Equipping leaders to “Lead Like Jesus”?


 My good friend and brother in the Lord Bud Press states in a recent article

Famous last statements


“It is neither Ken’s nor the staff of Lead Like Jesus desire to do anything that might cause another to stumble or that might hinder the furtherance of the gospel. We appreciate the excitement and enthusiasm with which Lead Like Jesus is being embraced all over the country. As leaders in this field, we take seriously our responsibility to offer the very best that we are and, as such, we pledge anew to honor God in everything we do” (Lead Like Jesus, July 21, 2005, on file).


“Recently, it was brought to my attention that some of my endorsements and book forewords are for books written by authors who espouse concepts that are contrary to Christian teachings. I did not realize that this was the case when I wrote these endorsements and forewords. But now after further study and discussions with other followers of Jesus whom I respect and admire, including the staff at Watchman Fellowship, I understand why these are problematic and I promise that I will exercise better discernment in the future”  (Ken Blanchard, July 22, 2005, on file).


But the statements of holy Scripture provide a chilling reminder that God knows the hearts of men, and that judgement is coming upon those who claim to be Christian, but who are, in reality, counterfeits:


But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage. But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you (Galatians 2:4-5).






For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).


see this link to read the article-


And Part three of Berits article is titledWarren’s P.E.A.C.E. Plan and UN Goals – Part 3 “Whom do we serve”

here is the link to that article

What did Jesus state in scripture? Was he promting Rodney King style of religion ie “Cant we all just get along.

No Jesus stated ““Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” (Matthew10:34-39 NASB)

When you bring the gospel of Jesus Christ forward to a lost and dying world that will always cause strife with those who regect Jesus.
When you state that Jesus is the Only Way to reconciliation  and peace God and the only way to eternity in heaven that is going to cause problems with those who reject Christ.
Is Rick Warren promoting the gospel?
Of course not.
 Ricks many recent statements (or lack of) on television and on recent U Tube videos state Ricks real purpose and show’s what Rick Warren is really all about.
Rick only promotes the gospel of Jesus Christ perhaps to his Christian audience at Saddleback on Sunday’s.
I believe we still have yet to see the real Rick Warren.
More to come.

Here is part 2 of Mike Oppenheimers article about a Common word between us this article concentrates on Rick Warren. Here is the article by Mike Oppenheimer.

Please stop by Mikes website here for a ton of biblical truth and updates on the deception that is hitting the church the true Body of Christ.



Pt.2 Walking in the Sunset of Ecumenism

Now let me turn to one of the signatories who has a tremendous influence on the new evangelicals in the church- Rick Warren (who also associates himself with the emergent church movement.) When people follow men who do not have a grasp on matters of importance like this, they too will be misled.

When one has great influence on the church, it can move it to both good and bad, they should be more careful in their public announcements and endorsements. The Bible makes it clear there is a stricter judgment on teachers. For they can mislead or stumble many new believers.

No false teacher ever has 100% error, it would be too obvious. Instead it is mixed. How much arsenic does it take to kill you from being in a glass of water? Less than 1%. Wisdom tells us not to drink  \irst and ask questions later if we have any reservations.

Rick Warren has spoke to United Nations leaders at a UN interfaith prayer breakfast, he spoke at the Council on foreign relations–   His P.E.A.C.E. plan is a mixture of Christian work ethics, a social gospel which is well received with the humanism in these organizations.

It has become known that Rick Warren is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. While this has been posted on some websites I have not seen someone explain what this means and how it can affect the church’s that may listen to him.

First let me ask- why would the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) which has a globalist agenda have a Christian Pastor be a member- and why would a Christian accept it? Could it be that the social gospel of Warren has the elements they are looking for to forge their message to different groups of people? Maybe Warren is just naïve, it doesn’t matter when you help these organizations that do not have the better interest of the church in mind.

What is the Council on Foreign Relations about:

The Council is a nongovernmental, nonprofit and nonpartisan organization. Religious and Congregational Leaders: The Council on Foreign Relations Religion and Foreign Policy Initiative engages religious and congregational leaders, scholars, and thinkers, from across the country, in cross-denominational conversations on global issues; and seeks to serve as a resource of information and analysis on topics at the nexus of religion and foreign policy. Council programming includes a monthly Religion and Foreign Policy Conference Call series featuring Council fellows and scholars, access to live teleconferences and webcasts of New York and Washington Council meetings, and a Religion and Foreign Policy Symposia Series.Outreach

What they say about themselvesReligious and Congregational Leaders: The Council on Foreign Relations Religion and Foreign Policy Initiative engages religious and congregational leaders, scholars, and thinkers, from across the country, in cross-denominational conversations on global issues; and seeks to serve as a resource of information and analysis on topics at the nexus of religion and foreign policy. Council programming includes a monthly Religion and Foreign Policy Conference Call series featuring Council fellows and scholars, access to live teleconferences and webcasts of New York and Washington Council meetings, and a Religion and Foreign Policy Symposia Series. Outreach

The Council aims to strengthen foreign policy discussions across the country and elsewhere.

convening meetings at which government officials, global leaders, and Council members debate major foreign-policy issues; by operating a think tank that is home to the world’s most prominent scholars of international affairs; International Affairs Fellowships and several other fellowship programs aim to spark interest and participation in world affairs and U.S. foreign policy.

The term NEW WORLD ORDER (or NEW INTERNATIONAL ORDER) has been used privately by the CFR since its creation to describe the coming ONE WORLD government.  However, since the fall of 1990, CFR members have used the term publicly to prepare the public for what lies ahead in the future WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM.  (reference: research by Michael Sunstar)

On February 17, 1950 CFR member James Warburg, testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee stated, “We shall have world government whether you like it or not—by conquest or consent.”Dan Smoot, a former member of the FBI headquarters staff in Washington and one of the first researchers into the CFR, summarized the organization’s purpose as follows: “The ultimate aim of the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS is to create a ONE WORLD SOCIALIST SYSTEM and make the United States a part of it.” 

Devvy Kidd writes in her article “Treasonous agenda of the Council on Foreign Relations-Before any American decides to poo-poo the CFR and their diabolical agenda, they might wish to read some of the writings by Barry Goldwater on this issue.

CFR has been to be associated with a plan that is to set up a New World Order to bring peace across the globe.

Lou Dobbs, CNN Anchor: “Good evening, everybody. Tonight, an astonishing proposal to expand our borders to incorporate Mexico and Canada and simultaneously further diminish U.S. sovereignty. Have our political elites gone mad? We’ll have a special report. Blood … Now, incredibly, a panel sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations wants the United States to focus not on the defense of our own borders, but rather create what effectively would be a common border that includes Mexico and Canada.” Lou Dobb’s show on June 9, 2005, Treasonous agenda of the Council on Foreign Relations June 17, 2005 By Devvy Kidd

Christine Romans, CNN Correspondent (voice-over): On Capitol Hill, testimony calling for Americans to start thinking like citizens of North America and treat the U.S., Mexico and Canada like one big country.

Consider Rick Warren making this statement: “Who’s the man of peace in any village – or it might be a woman of peace – who has the most respect, they’re open and they’re influential? They don’t have to be a Christian. In fact, they could be a Muslim, (Rick Warren guest speaker at the The Pew Forum on Religion. Read the transcripts May 23, 2005. )Lets go over what he said–

It’s called the people of faiths, plural.

Stating Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims. And “ they all matter”

In what manner do they matter? Warren answers this saying“The fact is most people have some kind of faith. It doesn’t matter to me what it is at that point, but if they’re willing to work on the issues, that’s what matters.”

Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims have faith! Not according to the Bible. But then if you don’t go by the Bible anything can be moved into the circle you have made for faith[s].

This is the bottom line – that Warren (and many others) are willing to have “unity in the faiths” instead of unity in THE faith shows us the underlying motivation for what he wants to take place. This disturbs me to no end.

Let me address his belief system he is engaged with. Jude 3 “I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.”

Look it up- you will not find the word “faiths” in the Bible, nor is the concept upheld. Why? Because there is only one faith, and this faith Warren is not earnestly contending for at all. Scripture exhorts us to contend for the faith that was given to us through the Hebrew prophets and the Bible, for faith comes from hearing the word of God. We are not to be contending for the unity of faiths.

Paul wrote “It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, Galatians 2:20). This is the Faith the Bible teaches, the faith that Paul had. If you have this faith you are a Christian, not another religion.

Paul also admonishes ministers “Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel, and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that from God” (Philippians 1:27-29).

With Warren’s attitude, you can unite with 9/10’s of the world’s religions. This is the very thing the Bible warns of taking place in the last days and Warren and others who are ignoring prophecy (as they claim) are fulfilling it.

Warren is in the same line of so many interfaith proponents.

Warren says: “there is a government role and there is a business role, and there is a faith role”traveling around the world “ And in every country I went in, I would meet with the president and the government leaders, I’d meet with the business leaders, I’d meet with the church leaders and say, “Can we follow that great theologian, Rodney King, and just get along? Can we not work together on the things that matter and make a difference?”

Speaking of

Warrens appeal to a man who used human reasoning and not the Bible is a typical diaprax method.

Warren goes further by stating: “The second thing people of faith have— they’re not just universal distribution— they have the largest manpower of volunteers. Nobody comes close to the hundreds of millions of people who volunteer through their Jewish congregation, Muslim congregation, Christian congregation, or whatever around the world, on a weekly basis.

You can’t talk about community development without talking about people who are apart of faith communities.Warren says “there’s good political motivation- There are businesses who do it for profit motivation…..We say we want to provide pharmaceuticals, make a profit, and help people. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I wish more organizations did it. I wish more people would make a profit and do good at the same time. It is not my motivation, but it is a good one. Some people do what they do because of a personal motivation. I do it because I have a savior called Jesus Christ who said love your neighbor as yourself. Now, that doesn’t have to be your motivation for me to work with you. It’s just my motivation. I am told to love my neighbor as myself. And, so I have found that faith organizations are far more willing to partner with NGOs and governments than vice versa and I am say it is not going to get done unless you get all three legs of the stool. Thank you. [Applause]

So Warren’s peace program is more than just the church doing good works to their neighbors. This is another type of “Evangelicals and Catholics Together” and it probably will not be the last.

If they do not look to the Bible to see if what they are doing is right and acceptable to God, it’s not surprising they end up united with those who oppose Jesus?

Did the true believers of the early church work with unbelievers to affect their culture? Did they work hand in hand with the Romans who had faith in their gods?

The faith that is explained in the Bible is connected to the word of truth. It is abandoned for interfaith with other cultures and religions. The Bible says we are to maintain a “separation” from the world and other religious influences and beliefs, instead the message is to have a global unity of faith[s] to accomplish good. There is one faith, one Lord not many.

As we are living in this late hour heeding what John writes in Revelation 3:2 we might “strengthen the things which remain.”

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So, my commitment is about four years ago, I said, how could we mobilize? What if we mobilized a billion of those two billion, in just my faith, in Christianity, to make a difference. And we decided, we would do a pilot project, that we called the PEACE Program. And, PEACE is an acronym. P-E-A-C-E. It stands for promote reconciliation, equip leaders, assist the poor, care for the sick, and educate the next generation. We have been quietly behind the scenes testing this prototype for four years now, trying to build a plane as we rode it. I, in my own church, I have had over 7,500 of my members; have been overseas in the last three years working in 68 countries.

we just launched, what we call PEACE 2.0. One of the things, we learned is that other people, groups beside churches, said hey we would like to do that, we would like to partner, we would like to promote reconciliation and equip leaders and assist the poor, and care for the sick, and educate the next generation. And I said, well, there is an idea here, a three-legged stool, where business has a role, profits have a role, and faith has a role. You see, honestly, I don’t care what your motivation is for helping people, as long as you do it. It doesn’t have to be my motivation, as long as you do it.

Since he signed A COMMON WORD BETWEEN US AND YOU document along with others there does seem to be an apparent ongoing conflict with Biblical teaching and Biblical separation.


2007 Rick Warren speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative. In attendance with Bill Hybels WARREN:

“When one drop of rain falls, it makes no difference at all. If you get a million drops of rain falling, you can turn a desert into a forest. And the willingness to partner is I believe at the root of why we haven’t solved these problems already, people willing to put aside the things that they differ on and work together on the things that they agree on.

Last year, I spoke at Davos, the World Economic Forum, and I kept hearing people talking about we need public and private partnerships. And that’s true. But if all there was that was needed was government and business, then we would have already done it by now. It actually takes a three-legged stool for there to be stability. A one-legged stool will fall over. A two-legged stool will fall over. You have to have three legs. And if we are going to team tackle these big issues like poverty, disease, illiteracy, trafficking, corruption and so many other issues, we’re going to somehow have to tap into the largest pool of volunteer manpower in the world. It’s two thirds of the world.

It’s called the people of faiths, plural. There are 600 million Buddhists in the world. That’s a large number. There are 800 million Hindus in the world. There are a billion Muslims in the world. There are 2.3 billion Christian members of churches.

Now, as a pastor, of course I’m interested in the last one. But they all matter. They all matter. When I think about 2.3 billion people who say they’re a member of a church somewhere, that makes the church bigger than China. That makes the church bigger than India. In fact, it makes the church bigger than China and India put together.

Now, if you want to say, “Well, we can’t have anybody of any faith doing humanitarian effort,” you just ruled out most of the world, because really, outside of Manhattan and Europe, there aren’t really that many secularists. [Laughter] The fact is most people have some kind of faith. It doesn’t matter to me what it is at that point, but if they’re willing to work on the issues, that’s what matters.”

Great new article about Rick Warren and the Muslims and the other evangelical leaders who have signed a interfaith deal with unbelievers.

A Common Word Between Us and You,” was signed by 138 Muslim scholars, clerics, and intellectuals from all over the world. Claiming common ground shared by Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Saying this is about “building true communities of justice, peace, and a lasting security for all,” Sound familiar; it’s not as if this hasn’t been tried before.  The Vatican seemed to stand more on Christian principles, unfortunately, others did not. They responded in afar more conducive manner showing a lack of wisdom.

The statement was well received by scholars at the Yale Center for Faith and Culture. Moved by the “Muslim hand of conviviality and cooperation extended to Christians worldwide,” in response they extended their “own Christian hand in return,…so that we may live in peace and justice, loving God and neighbors.”After 138 Muslim scholars and clerics sent an open letter “to leaders of Christian churches, everywhere,” titled A Common Word Between Us and You, ( at many of America’s top Christian leaders and scholars signed onto a response of support to “A Common Word Between Us and You.”

The following response was drafted by scholars at Yale Divinity School’s Center for Faith and Culture. In the name of the Infinitely Good God whom we should love with all our being, Loving God and Neighbor Together: A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You.” In the Preamble Yale’s scholars claim that Christians sinned against Muslims in the Crusades, and still do so by our “excesses in the war on terror. many Christians have been guilty of sinning against our MuslimThey say that if we could achieve religious peace with Muslims, world peace would likely follow.


Now Richard Abanes has stated time and time again that he is not a official or unofficial spokesperson for Rick Warren but yet Richard states in another blog the following statement
“Another article might be appropriate in response to what has JUSt transpired regarding the special “critics” session that Rick Warren was hoping to hold with his most vocal critics –

The results are in – out of the many critics invited (I have the list) – not a SINGLE person accepted except for Chris Rosebrough of Extremetheology blog.

So, the critics have shown their true motives – not reconciliation, not face-to-face correction, not personal confrontation, but attacks from behind the safety of computer screens, using digital assaults that can reach out far and wide, but without any accountability – without the courage to actually speak with someone in person.

As for Chris Rosebrough, the guy has insulted me, angered me, frustrated me, and failed in my book when it comes to apologetics and dealing with Rick Warren — BUT, at least he had the courage to take that invitation and would have been there.

Sadly, because no one responded, the golden opportunity has been canceled.

RAbanes end quote

Richard is confusing you can even tell by his statement on his website that states he authored or co-authored NEARLY 20 books.
You have either authored or co-authored a certain number of books or not what does nearly mean?

Sorry back to the topic thats the least of the Abanes confusion but on Richards own site he states.
“ATTENTION: I am not now, nor have I ever been, a spokesperson (official or unofficial) for Rick Warren, Saddleback Church, or any affiliates of Saddleback Church, including Purpose Driven Ministries and Moroever,
I have never been contracted or requested by Rick Warren, Saddleback, or any of its affiliates to publicly defend or discuss criticisms of Warren, his books, or his ministry. The comments contained in these articles are my own personal opinions expressed in response to Warren’s critics, and are based on my own investigation and research into Warren (as I have detailed in my book Rick Warren and the Purpose that Drives Him).”
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But yet as you see above from Richards own comments he makes a statement that the he has the list and speaks on behalf of Saddleback to say that the meeting with the critics is cancelled do to non-responce.
I have yet to see Saddleback Church or Rick Warren make a statement that the meeting is cancelled.
Again Ingrids own comments on why she would not attend states it best.
“I am in receipt of your invitation offering an all-expenses paid trip to Saddleback’s worship conference. I cannot accept your invitation. In the world of live church webcasts, book publishers, websites and so on, it is no longer necessary to travel to see a church to understand what it is all about. Your pastor’s copious writings, speeches and sermons are online and available for everyone to see and analyze in the light of God’s Word.

Read the rest of Ingrids comments here

My whole point on this is the typical double speak and deception of men like Richard Abanes and Rick Warren.
Abanes states over and over that he does not speak for Rick Warren but on the other hand he spends a large amount of time all over the internet telling us all how Rick Warren thinks and feels about things.
And then makes statements on behalf of Saddleback and Rick Warren that Ricks little Q&A are canceled.
Perhaps folks should just listen again to Todd Friels Way of the Master video with Rick Warrens own words and tell me if you think you need to sit down and talk with a guy like that and talk?
What Warren does and says is all over the net anyway.

Richard Abanes also stated this in another blog

“RA: I have been posting about Rick Warren on blogs and at my own site for barely 5 months,


Most all of us that know and have dealt with Richard in the past know this is a flat out lie. Ive been debating Abanes since around early 2005 all over the internet starting at Tim Challis website. Richard had a website at that time as well with his usual method of spin on behalf of Rick Warren.

In conclusion you need to decide who to believe.

Most importantly using scripture to measure things up with.

Richard has not replied yet to the Way of the Master U Tube words of his pastor.

Because even Richard cant spin Rick Warrens words there.

Great video by Way the Master’s Todd Friel. Interesting how more and more people are getting hip to Rick Warrens false teaching. Must have been why Warren personally invited so many of his critics out to a conference at Saddleback expenses paid. The point astutely made by those who have refused is basically whats the point this false teacher own books, words, associations speak for themselves. Enjoy the video and kudos to Todd at Way of the Master.

(Special thanks to Mike Oppenheimer for the enhanced title to this article)


Here we learn that Rick Warren doesn’t believe that sermons will produce spiritual maturity, Bill Hybels of Willow Creek is one of the greatest pastors in History, that Ecclesiastes was actually talking about church growth in certain sections, and prayer and preaching doesn’t grow a church. Sheesh.

A couple of weeks ago I contacted James Walker of Watchman Fellowship concerning Ken Blanchard continuing to endorse new age authors.

I did not receive a reply.

Last week I wrote to Phylis Hendry of ” Lead Like Jesus”  via email about Ken Blanchard continuing to endorse new age authors.

I did not receive a reply.

We find in Richard Abanes book Rick Warren and the Purpose That Drives Him” the following quote on page 130.

I personally contacted the leadership of Blanchard’s “Lead Like Jesus” organization in mid May 2005, and at that time I began helping them draft a public statement addressing these sensitive issues. Then, in a May 24, 2005, email to me, the Lead Like Jesus president-Phylis Hendry-assured me that Blanchard was not seeking to endorse any non-Christian beliefs by lending his name to various books. Instead, he had been a victim of lack of knowledge concerning the full consequences of what various non-Christians were believing and teaching-and as a result fell prey to those who wanted to use his name and celebrity status to help them. Efforts to assist Blanchard are ongoing.” end quote

Lets take a look at part of the statement Blanchard made on July 21 2005 and then on July 22, 2005.

First a short quote from the July 21, 2005 statement

Recently, it has been brought to my attention that some of my endorsements and book forewords have been bothersome to some brothers and sisters in Christ because a number of the authors espouse concepts which are in conflict with Christian teachings. After further study and discussions with other followers of Jesus who I respect and admire, including the staff at Watchman Fellowship, I understand why these are problematic and will exercise better discernment in future endorsements.” end quote

Then a short quote from the July 22, 2005 statement.

Recently, it was brought to my attention that some of my endorsements and book forewords are for books written by authors who espouse concepts that are contrary to Christian teachings.  I did not realize that this was the case when I wrote these endorsements and forewords.  But now after further study and discussions with other followers of Jesus whom I respect and admire, including the staff at Watchman Fellowship, I understand why these are problematic and I promise that I will exercise better discernment in the future.” end quote
For the record links to these quote’s from The Lead Like Jesus” website no longer work to even the second quote which was revised.
The first question I thought was why does a writer of such caliber such as Ken Blanchard need to have Richard Abanes prepare a public statement for him and Lead Like Jesus?
Of course you will need to come to your own conclusions on this.
Notice here some observations from Bud Press as well.
Prior to sending his July 21, 2005 letter to Ken Blanchard (see below), Bud Press of Christian Research Service contacted Blanchard’s Lead Like Jesus organization on July 19, 2005, spoke to Lisa LeClair, explained that he was in the process of writing Blanchard an e-mail letter to share his love and concerns, then asked how could he be assured that Blanchard would receive the letter.


LeClair stated that Phyllis Hendry, President of Lead Like Jesus, would make sure that Blanchard would receive the letter, and suggested that Press send the letter to both her and Hendry. LeClair then stated, “We’ll make sure he gets it.”


After LeClair provided her and Hendry’s e-mail addresses, Press thanked her for her kindness and assistance, explained that Blanchard was loved, and that the letter would share some concerns.


On July 21, 2005, the first of two of Ken Blanchard’s statements appeared on the homepage of the Lead Like Jesus website. This prompted another call from Press to the Lead Like Jesus headquarters in Augusta, Georgia. When asked if Blanchard received Press’ July 21 letter, Lisa LeClair stated, “Yes. Thank you for that. I’m glad you shared that. He’s learning a lot through this.” She continued saying that Blanchard “wants to glorify God” and “make sure things are right.”


So there would be no doubt whatsoever, Press asked LeClair if she knew for sure if Blanchard received the letter. LeClair stated, “Yes, he did. He is reviewing it, along with Dr. David Jeremiah. Thank you.” LeClair told Press that Lead Like Jesus wants unity among the body of Christ, that God would be glorified and truth proclaimed.


Concerning the appearance, disappearance and reappearance of Ken Blanchard’s statement on the Lead Like Jesus website, LeClair told Press that the July 21 statement was removed because Blanchard wanted to make sure everything he wants to say is right, to the extent of picking it apart “sentence by sentence.” LeClair hoped the statement would reappear “next week,” that they want to glorify God and not “cause division within the body of Christ,” and that Blanchard doesn’t have a “seminary degree.”


LeClair said that Blanchard’s first statement was placed on the website at about 5pm [EST/Georgia, 7/21/05], that it was removed because they want to make sure, because people are saying a lot, and that after prayer they “wanted to look over it again” to make sure it was right. LeClair encouraged Press to pray for Blanchard, because all Blanchard wants is “unity” within the body of Christ, because Satan wants to “kill and destroy” and have “half-truths” that “aren’t totally true.”


Press assured LeClair that both he and his colleagues love Blanchard, then asked if she knew if Blanchard would respond to the letter. LeClair said she did not know, that she had not talked to Blanchard, but Phyllis Hendry did. Press said he hoped to hear from Blanchard, unless Blanchard wants his statement to speak for itself.


On July 22, 2005, Ken Blanchard’s second statement–which underwent extensive revision when compared to his July 21 statement–appeared on his Lead Like Jesus website. While Blanchard proclaims his belief in Jesus, as with his first statement, there is no admission of sin and repentance; no mention of the removal of his name from books written by New Age authors; no mention of his immediate departure and total separation from New Age organizations such as the Hoffman Institute and Heartland Circle; and no mention of the removal of New Agers from his Lead Like Jesus Board of Directors; only the recognition that his longtime promotions of the New Age Movement are “problematic,” along with the promise to “exercise better discernment in the future.”




The facts are that Ken Blanchard continues to promote New Age authors and books.

As of this writing, six months have passed since Blanchard’s 7/22/05 statement (refer to CRS’s September 20, 2005 UPDATE ON KEN BLANCHARD and Letter to Ken Blanchard). Therefore, it is important to note that:


— A flash picture of Ken Blanchard now appears on the homepage of the Hoffman Institute’s website ( ), along with another endorsement of the The Hoffman Process.

Blanchard’s name appears on page 7 of the Hoffman Institute’s Autumn 2005 LIGHT News newsletter, under “Advisory Board.”

— Blanchard continues to endorse the Hoffman Institute, and remains a member of the Hoffman Institute’s Board of Advisors.

— The “Spirituality in Business-An interview with Ken Blanchard, Ph.D,” is still available on the Hoffman Institute’s website. This same interview is on the Hoffman Institute International website and other foreign websites connected directly to the Hoffman Institute. 

Blanchard’s endorsement of Tim Laurence’s book, The Hoffman Process, is still available on the Hoffman Institute’s website.

“The Ken Blanchard Companies” are still listed as one of the “ATTENDEES” of the Heartland Circle’s Thought Leader Gatherings

The Heartland Circle’s newslettercontains an advertisement of Marc Lesser’s book, Z.B.A. Zen of Business Administration: How Zen Practice Can Transform Your Work And Your Life, along with the following endorsement by Ken Blanchard: “‘There is an urgent need for all of us to walk our faith in the marketplace. Z.B.A. Zen of Business Administration by Marc Lesser will surely help. Read, rejoice, and start practicing.'” According to this Book Description, the “practice of Zen” Buddhism guides, and provides strength and insight to Lesser, who utilizes “his training as a Zen practitioner” as he “learns to apply specific teachings such as the eight-fold path directly to work and life.”News from the Heartland

— Ken Blanchard’s July 22, 2005 statement has been removed from his Lead Like Jesus website, and replaced with “HTTP 404 FILE NOT FOUND.”

In spite of Ken Blanchard’s “promise” that he “will exercise better discernment in the future” six months ago, and James Walker stating that “Mr Blanchard was not only willing to admit to this error but, to also make assurances to take corrective action for the future” six months ago, Blanchard endorses Jon Gordon’s book:


“‘Jon Gordon is a master at teaching people the power of positive energy. If you want to increase your joy and effectiveness, as well as your energy level, read this book.” –Ken Blanchard'” (The 10-Minute Energy Solution: A Proven Plan to Increase Your Energy, Reduce Your Stress, and Transform Your Life, Penguin Group, Inc., January 2006, back cover).


And in Blanchard’s latest endorsement of a Jon Gordon book, he leads the reader to get onboard “the right bus;” a bus fueled by New Age “positive energy”: 

If you want to fuel your family, your career, your team, and your organization with spirit, read this book. Jon’s energy and advice will leap off the page and help you cultivate positive energy in everything you do—and you will make the world a better place for your having been here. Thanks, Jon, for pumping us up and making sure we get on the right bus. [The Energy Bus, January 2007, ]


And still even in 2007 Blanchard endorses new ager Jim Ballards book.


But Blanchard’s most disturbing statements in the Foreword of Little Wave and Old Swell opens a floodgate of deception for unwary Christians, and serves to cause further distancing between Yogananda devotees and Jesus Christ:

“Some people might ask why a follower of Jesus is writing the foreword for a book inspired by an Indian guru. The fact is, Yogananda loved Jesus, and Jesus would have loved Yogananda. Every year, the Self-Realization Fellowship headquarters in Los Angeles–as well as all its temples and meditation groups throughout the world–hold a full-day Christmas event. It is a time of reverent reflection, with periodic interruptions to listen to taped messages of Yogananda’s love for Jesus and his teachings. The way I see it, love is love. [pp. viii-ix]

And on the homepage of Jim Ballard’s website, Blanchard encourages the reader to, “Enjoy this story. Read it many times. Let it speak to your heart and reintroduce you to the wonder that breathes from everything in the world” (




So has Ken Blanchard kept his promise from 2005?

You decide.

Richard Abanes as well who endorces the new age practice of centering prayer.

(You can Find Abanes endorsement in his book Rick Warren and the Purpose That Drives Him on page 137 which Abanes mistakenly comes to the conclusion that centering prayer can be a form of practice for Christians. In reality there in no new age practice of centering prayer versus Christian practice of centering prayer. The root and base of this ritual is found in the occult not Christianity.)

What role does author Richard Abanes play in all this?

You decide.