October 6, 2008
2 Peter 3:3-4 states
3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
Jude 18-19 states
18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. 19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit
Jer 15:17 gives us this word we should take as a warning
17 I did not sit in the assembly of the mockers,
Nor did I rejoice;
I sat alone because of Your hand,
I see that someone has let Warren apologist and little pit bull Richard Abanes out from where ever it is that this guy goes when someone pulls his chain back.
Richard had these comments on the pro emergent/mystic website Phoenix Preacher.
“RA: Wait, wait, wait! You can’t start yet — you need your hooded black cape, secret Vatican password for access to the tribulation weapons vault, and your pack of “666″ stick-on tattoos (water-soluble, of course). Just send $6.66 to me, c/o Saddleback Church, 666 Coven Way, Lake Forest, CA, 92666.
I have addressed these kind of comments Abanes makes on a regular basis before but you have to wonder why a guy who claims to be a apologist would joke around like this.
I’ve always chalked it up to Richards immaturity as a adult let alone a Christian but could there be more to this?
Not so famous cussing preacher Michael Newnham lord of Phoenix Preacher also had these wonderful words of wisdom( being sarcastic here folks) for us all on the same post that Abanes responded to. Speaking about Steve Camp and Ingrid Schulter
“have taken turns over the last week ripping up John Piper for his “support” of Mark Driscoll and because Paul Tripp used a profanity in making the best apologetic I’ve ever heard against using profanity.”
Folks I dont know about you but read what Michael had to say again. This kind of stuff should make your head hurt and mourn for any of those still in Michaels congregation.
If you have not heard Tripps video yet check it out. Come on we dont have to use bad language to make a point about not using bad language.
And I tell you what if I had been sitting at a table in the restaurant Tripp and his family would have been sitting at and that kind of language would have been used while me and my family would have been sitting in voice range I would have politely asked them to stop using that kind of language. And yes I have done this before in places and have had 100% compliance.
And certainly if my kids would ever use this kind of language and I hear it they will still get rebuked and soap in their mouths. And they are all teenagers and young adults.
Its a no brainer that pastors like Trip have no place being near a pulpit.
For another pastor to try to make excuses for any kind of use of profanity shows that Michael is very immature in the Lord. God help his congregation.
As for Abanes comments they were in Abanes defence of mystic Brother Lawrence. Richard has to defend Brother Lawrence of course because his boss Rick Warren promotes him.
Brother Lawrence was a Carmelite monk. I know a lot about the Carmelites because I on ocassion as a youth (I grew up Catholic) I attended a place called the Francisian Renewal Center which had Carmelitte nuns and Cursillo etc..
In writing this article I went to their website to check and see if they are still around. They are and they now have their own labrintyh
Here is the link http://www.thecasa.org/
I spent a lot of time at this place with my family when I was little and I know what was promoted here.
Brother Lawrence was in the Carmelite order which was reformed by Theresa of Avila. Theresa of Avila was influenced by Jewish Kabbalistic mysticism.
This stuff was all required reading for me in my 12 years of Catholic school.
These kind of comments from Abanes should not surprise us because Abanes already endorses the new age form of prayer known as contemplative and centering prayer.
On page 137 of Richards book titled “Rick Warren and the Purpose That Drives Him” Abanes states
“Contemplative prayer (also known as “centering prayer”) is controversial but does not necessarily border on occultism and Eastern meditation (though some of its proponents have drawn from non-Christian forms of meditation. end quote
Folks dont believe this Abanes shows that either his research is flawed, he is purposely lying or he is just plain deceived.
(pick any combination from the above you decide)
Contemplative is new age and is part of the new spirituality there is no Christian form for pagan practices.
I said all this to lead back into scripture.
Could it be that there are those among us who perhaps are plants of the enemy?
Surely something to think about these days.
Could be that these knuckleheads are either direct plants of our enemy satan or are deceived and used of satan?
You will need to decide that for yourselves.
Acts 20:29-30 states
“29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.
Matt 15:13-14 states
“13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
Matt 7:21-23 states
“21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Something else is to be taken into consideration here lets look at Matt 16:16-18
“16 Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling. 17This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation.” 18 And this she did for many days.
But Paul, greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And he came out that very hour.
September 10, 2008
Even as Christians its a very real ploy of our enemy satan to get us to be obsessed with reading the gossip columns such as those over at Phoenix Preacher and CRN.info. Face it we love to see a good fight. I spent a day off at Phoenix Preacher trying to get into a discussion on the issues with them. And largely they just wanted to talk about what they wanted to talk about, throw me under the bus because of my discernment and fuss and fight. I was amazed at some of the emails I got from people that were tuning in and watching what was going on. People I would have never had guessed would monitor Phoenix Preacher were indeed tuning in. Phoenix Preacher at large has the same cast of characters interacting and ready to pounce on any online discernment ministry who dares invade their turf. There are some really good folk there dont get me wrong. As well as Michael writes some very good articles on ancient Catholic and Christian history. So if you want to listen to gossip and see where the church has been Phoenix Preacher is the place for you for sure. If you want to see which way the church is currently heading you really need to look elsewhere. Phoenix Preacher hates discerment ministries because they loathe discernment and it shows.
One reason I have banned Warren apologist Richard Abanes from website I interact and help with is because he is a master of getting people to look in the other direction while he whines where is the love and as you look he slaps you up side the head and runs away giggling like the little bully Abanes truly is.Yes if you allow Richard to post on your blog you are almost guaranteed a vast number of hits its almost like when you were in school and you started to hear the chant, fight, fight fight. Most people come running to see the fight. But there is way to much going on to even bother with Abanes and his misinformation and Warren propoganda. But I know it can be an obsession to follow Richard around the inter net. Please let this post serve as a warning to avoid temptation. If you ignore Abanes he will go away because bad press, or good press Abanes ego loves the limelight. Ignore him and he will go away.
All this is a reflection on how we love bad reality tv shows. We love to see the chaos and problems people make for themselves.
Instead of focusing on what is important. Its funny how sites like Phoenix Preacher can point out how the ODM’s hate everyone but yet totally ignore Abanes and his hate filled speech and article’s. Funny how friendships work like that. You can ignore your friends error while pointing out others faults.
You see if the devil can distract you and keep you reading the gossip columns he can sneak in and do more damage to the Body of Christ. Me Im going to ignore the critics of those whose own ego’s trip them up at every step. Im going to keep my eye on what the Holy Spirit wants me focused on my family, friends and warning the Body of Christ of what is coming. You can spend a inordinate amount of time chasing around little distractions of the internet if you allow the devil to entice you.
Peace and Blessings
July 20, 2008
With all of the “attack” accusations flying around, I thought I would post the below article I wrote a few years ago. Hopefully, it will demonstrate that the same accusations are used by the dedicated followers of false prophets and false teachers–in particular the cults and the hyper-heretical Word-Faith Movement.
Attacking Men Of God?
As one who has been involved in an apologetics ministry for years, it sickens me, and I’m sure my colleagues, to be accused of “attacking” the most dangerous and prolific false prophets and false teachers of our day, especially when clear-cut, easy-to-comprehend documentation is provided.
WELCOME TO ATTACKSVILLE, USA:
“Why are you attacking an anointed man of God?!” they ask.
“I’m warning you! Stop attacking this prophet of God!” they warn.
“Who are you to attack the anointed? If he is wrong then God will deal with him, not you!” they ramble.
“Heresy hunter! Heresy hunter! You are on dangerous ground for attacking a child of God!” they yell.
“I’ve never heard him say that. You’re just making that up. You will suffer for your attacks on the servants of the Lord!” they threaten.
And on, and on, and on. Their carbon-copy cries are as a broken record, with nothing more to offer than accusations.
With all of the “attacking” going on, one would think the one exposing the deception had led a hoard of savage Vikings into a church or a crusade to successfully pillage, plunder and vandalize the works of God.
Please, give us a break. Cut us some slack. Chill-out and think.
The Christian gains discernment by studying God’s word. Christians make God’s word their final authority. Do your homework. Read and listen to the evidence, then compare the evidence with the final authority.
When you realize you have followed a false teacher–and have been conditioned to lash-out at those who share the truth in love–swallow your pride and join the battle against deception.
“The wicked man flees though no one pursues, but the righteous are as bold as a lion” (Proverbs 28:1).
July 19, 2008
I have Abanes seen the fuss lately that both Bud’s article and mine have caused. It really does show there are two methods of thought here. Again I leave it up to you the reader to decide where the truth is in all this. If you dont think my site and article’s are biblically based I urge you to reject them. But there are two different camps here.
In Michael at Phoenix Preacher’s latest article he used the word wanker to describe Roger Oakland as well as my fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord. Folks this is a bad word and refers to someone who masturbates. In my camp I dont see any of us lumping the opposite camp with words like this. Also Michael told Bud Press to bleep off invoking and implying the f bomb here. And yet the people who frequest Michaels blog let all this fly. Michael even suggested to one of his friends to use the word wanker and his friend politely refused letting Michael know that this was a bad word. And these folks are calling themselves ambassadors for Christ?
Michael cant even get very basic civility down and you are going to rely on Michael for spiritual matters?
Good luck on that.
I was really glad that Michael got a job obviously with usuing language like that I certainely would not expect God to honor his ministry and let his ministry pay his bills. So again Im glad Michael got a day job to support his family.
And now Richard Abanes has come out with another article where he talks a lot and says nothing. If you really want a chuckle go to Richard Abanes under Wikepedia and really go over what all has been stated here. Richard has self written endorsement on himself has been called out on many things including factual information. This was based on what Wikepedia calls weasel-worded statements. How true for Abanes.
I have noticed on Richards continued comments on Todd Bentley at Phoenix preacher how Richard is pointing out the obvious cons and side show tactics that Todd uses’s as well as other side show ministries.
Thats great and the observations were good but even unsaved people notice how guys like Benny Hinn are con men and operate side shows. The real point here is that Richard is unable to dscern spirtitual matters that concern the Body of Christ. But thats an ongoing problem with Richard Abanes or he would no longer atten Saddleback.
A word of caution both Bud Press and myself got hit with a trojan virus when going to Richards site. Both our security systems that are in place stopped the virus. But use caution going to Richards site both for the virus and lack of truth. Things like Abanes site and information dont rely on a computor protection service to stop but rather Gods word. And perhaps only myself and Buds IP address’s were targeted but use caution going there.
here is the link go read in depth for yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Abanes
Now you have to decide whether you want to get your information and truth from someone who uses weasel worded statements and those who use foul language.
Or factual information based on biblically solid truth and accurate carefully researched information.
No matter how this other camp wines and moans people are really getting hip to the false teaching and false methods of guys like Rick Warren and Todd Bentley.
Sandy Simpson’s site alone is getting over a million hits a month.
Someone is listening.
You decide where you want to get whats true and most of all balance everything stated against scripture.
July 14, 2008
“39 And Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind.”
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”
41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.
First I want to start this article off with some comments from men who are much more learned that myself.
“Religious leaders are often amongst those who are spiritually blind. Many times Jesus accused the Pharisees of being “blind leaders of the blind” (Matthew 15:14; 23:24; 23:26 etc.). Thus being religious, a christian or even a christian leader does not provide immunity from this ailment. It is even possible that religious people are more prone to catching this than other people and the more spiritual we think we are, the more likely we are to catch it.
There are a few things that cause blindness. The first is pride. Remember that “All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes” (Proverbs 16:2). After Saul had disobeyed the command of the Lord, he actually erected a statue to himself, and with the bleating of the cursed sheep in the background, greeted Samuel with the words: “I have performed the commandment of the LORD” (1Samuel 15:13). His arrogance had made him so blind that he really thought that wrong was right. Even after Samuel had clearly explained to Saul how he had disobeyed, he still did not get it. The story of the first king of Israel is a sad saga of a man who was so blinded by his arrogance that he never understood a single thing the prophet said to him. Even once David had been anointed in his place and clearly carried God’s blessing, Saul still thought he could hold onto the anointing by killing David. How terribly sad.
The antidote to blindness that comes through pride is obviously humility.
source Anton Bosch http://www.antonbosch.org/Articles/English%202008/spiritually%20blind.html
“So, the world is divided into two groups: those that are in darkness, the spiritually blind and those that have sight, the spiritually seeing. There are only two kinds of people. There’s no half sight. There are no partially blind. You either see or you are totally blind. “
If a man won’t recognize his blindness, Christ can’t give him sight, is that right? And that was the Pharisees problem. They would not admit their blindness. Jesus says I came to give sight to those who know they need it and I came to those who think they see to let them know they’re really blind and if need be to confirm them in their blindness.
When Jesus sees this man worshiping at His feet and He compares the humble confiding heart of that beggar with the hostility and stubborn hatred of the Pharisees, He admits that that’s the way it’s going to be when He comes. When I come, there’s going to be judgment…slash, right down the middle, this group will believe and see, this group will be obstinate and will not see and will be confirmed in their blindness.”
source John MacArthur http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/GC1527.HTM
So what does Phoenix Preacher, Sliced Laodecia (CRN.Info) and their buddy Richard Abanes all have in common?
Let me preface this first by stating that I do not think everyone who frequents either one of these blogs are spiritually blind. I do however think the leadership at both these blogs fit this category.
And I also want you no notice that this opposite camp would also state the same about myself and my brothers and sisters in the Lord.
I will leave it to you the reader to decide who is spiritially blind.
What prompted me to write this article was a comment that the leader of Phoenix Preacher left on my blog (a comment I have not posted until now) as well as a lot thats been going on this last year with people like Richard Abanes and the sites he frequents.
Here is Michael’s comment’s
I allow dissenting viewpoints on my blog and I’m accountable for what I say.
Bud Press was allowed to voice his opinions, as ill thought out as they were.
The other major difference is that people actually read my blog.”
This reply was on a article I wrote here-
The biggest problem I have with members of the opposite camp is that there comments are very often not mature and do not even address the topic being discussed. If you have a dissenting view thats fine but explain why, and then explain your position. Dont just do a drive by comment. Whats the point thats not edyifying at all to the Body of Christ. If Im wrong, well ok , show me where Im wrong or in error with what scripture teaches.
Lets look at Michaels comments-
” I allow dissenting viewpoints on my blog’
To Michaels point I do as well if it adds to the discussion. I would also ask Michael in a act of fairness hold Abanes and his blog under the same scrutiny as you do me. I often do not let comments fly here because of several reasons.
1. The comment sometimes does not address the topic being spoke of. Look at the long strings of comments often made by 5-10 people on both Phoenix Preacher or CRN. Go down to about the middle of the comments and look at whats being stated. They can either be talking about hockey or some other bunny trail. Usually nothing to do with the post. It turns into a old ladies quilting bee gossip session often found in small towns. Whats the point of letting comment’s like that go on? Im not letting that happen here. If you disagree with me thats ok I dont know everything. But say why you disagree and show scripture that backs up what you state. The bottom line with either camp is that nothing we say matters if it doesntjive with Gods word in scripture. The real scary thing is that many of these comments are made by men who state they are pastors. Michaels recent comments to me were made at around 5:30 am this morning. Michael looking at my site that early now that is weird.
I want to add that often these long strings that sites like Phoenix Preacher and CRN generate produce a lot of hits but reduce down to gossip, innuendo and ad hominem attack.
“I’m accountable for what I say”
My comments-Thats great what was the responce from those you are accountable to you telling my brother in the Lord Bud Press to “bleep off”?
The other camp also implies often that myself and my brothers and sisters in the Lord are not accountable to anyone.
I cant speak for everyone but I can state we do hold each other accountable. And as for me I attend a church on a regular basis and am accountable to a pastor who knows about and reads my blog. A pastor who I let know “If you ever see anything on my site that concerns you please let me know”. My pastor does read my blog and has invited Ray Yungen author of “Time of Departing” to speak at our church at the end of this month.
“Bud Press was allowed to voice his opinions, as ill thought out as they were.”
Notice Michael does not extend grace to Bud Press by perhaps saying Bud Press was allowed to voice his opinion’s, I however disagree with them (and then state why he disagree’s with Buds opinions).
Instead Michael chooses to use a ad hominem attack. Something me and my brothers and sisters in the Lord are accused of all the time. Even though the choose of words very seldom are backed up with a statement and facts on why someone thinks we are using ad hominem.
And now to the facts behind Buds statement on Phoenix Preacher. Bud was just holding Richard Abanes accountable. Richard emailed Bud and asked Bud for more information on Ken Blanchard and Ken’s new age connection. Richard wanted new information that took place after 2005. Bud provided the information which Richard Abanes has choosen not to act on.
Why were Buds comments thought of as opinions? They were not based on any opnions what so ever but factual information? And Bud responded with grace. Or did I miss something here?
Michaels recent comments-
“There is no such thing as an Arminianist, but that’s par for the course with you.”
My comments- Michael does not state his position on why there is no such thing as a Arminianist just points out Im wrong and then adds ad hominem.
Simpson proves that he understands neither Arminianism or Calvinism as he mangles both systems badly.
My comments-does not explain where he thinks Sandy was in error. Just a drive by comment with no thought because Michael does not state his opposing position.
You really need to take some classes…”
My comments ad hominem and trying to be spiritually elite something I have had to deal with when I played in Word faith churches. Same spirit as Abanes has and its not the Holy Spirit. We are dealing with a spirit here folks. The camp I am in would state that the opposite camp is in spiritual blindness. The opposite camp would state the same thing about us. You decide who is biblically correct.
Michael has addressed the Todd Bentley issue over at his blog. Good for him.
( note part of this article hase been retracted because I stated Richard Abanes had not commented on Todd betley but had remained silent. Richard did comment on Todd so I stand corrected on that error and retract that statement -Tim )
C.Peter Wagner is connected to both Todd and Rick Warren. Perhaps thatswhy Richard remains silent about Ken Blanchard as well. Abanes deals mainly with what is outside of Christianity not deception from within. Again dealing with whats going on within would alienate ones target audience when you are selling a product.
Im amazed by folks who flock to Abanes and cant see through Richard and his spin.
Look at the Rick Warren, Robert Schuller connection.
In Richards booklet “Rick Warren and the Purpose that Drives Him”. Richard had a golden opportunity to set the record straight about Warren and Schuller.
Missed it because he did not let Rick Warren speak for himself.
Richard asked Rick Warren this on page 29
RA: And (Robert) Schuller is your mentor!
RW: And Schuller is my mentor!
RA: Ok,wait. Is Robert Schuller your mentor?
RW: No! Never has been, never would be!
End of quote-
Wow thats it. A really big issue and in a personal interview with Rick Warren two small quotes dedicated to this hot topic. But wait Richard dedicates pages 99-106 explaining to his audience on how Rick thinks and feels about this issue. But yet we didnt hear this from Warren himself when he was given the opportunity to clear this up.
Looking at Warrens methods and the Warrens continued alliance with Schullers conferences any discerning Christian can see the real deal here.
This is just one instance in many where Richard Abanes tells us how Rick Warren thinks and feels.
You decide whats truth.
I am opposed to all Rick Warren does because his root is evil. He built his business(Saddleback and Purpose Driven religion) on the whims of what the unsaved wanted in a church. This is history by what Rick Warren did. This method is also diametrically opposed to what scripture teaches in building a church. Check the book of Acts on how a church is supposed to be built.
I want to state that I do not hate Rick Warren, Abanes or any of the folks at CRN or Phoenix preacher or anyone for that matter. Online is often a difficult media form to communicate your heart from because people cannot hear the tone of your voice or other nuances that make vocal communication a better way to communicate.
Now granted letting Richard Abanes comment on your blog almost guarantee’s you a couple hundred hits to your blog (usually by about the same 10-15 people).
But is this all edifying to the Body of Christ?
I tell you what Christianity is a mess here in the states. And maybe a part of that problem is because many shepherds are spending more time online than they are with their flocks.
Ultimately you decide.
I will allow opposing views on this post if you so desire. Stay on topic though or your post will not see the light of day. If Im in error show me where and prove your point. I dont care how long your comments are as long as they stay on topic. Thats the rules you will need to abide by them.
Plus I work so if your post is not immediately on dont think I am censoring you, I just may not have read your comment yet. I will not allow comments that
I spend a very limited time online.
If you dont want to comment and take this to your own blogs thats fine of course.
I take your opposition and negative article’s about me as a badge of honor.
Because we are from two different camps.